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It is clear as glass. IF you don't get the vaccine you can't do this you can't do that you can't come into this place you can't...ad infinitum.Nanu said:
If the vaccine actually did something other than lessen the severity of covid symptoms perhaps it would make sense. I still would not get this experimental vaccine but at least it would make more sense.
That was the reason one of the pro-vax posters to this thread stated when I asked "if it doesn't prevent one from getting the virus nor prevent them from transmitting it to others, what's the point?" So I'm going to be restricted from doing whatever so that I don't have a more severe case of Covid ! Well thanks for trying to protect me but no thanks I'll take my chances.
You sir are the one that put forth that non vaccinated people will be restricted from flying. I agreed and do you really think they will stop at that?
How does one define control? What is your definition?
We are the puppets, those "in charge" are the puppeteers. If you don't do X we are going to do Y or disallow you from doing Z. I know I mentioned it in a previous post...but it's the old carrot and stick routine.
They say jump you ask "how high?" They say wear a mask everywhere you go we say yes sir and obey without question. Look around, the very evidence of control is apparent and more so each day as the "people who know what's best for us" exert more and more control putting out more restrictions and limits on our daily lives. If this is not evidence of others controlling us (or trying to control us), what is?
If wearing a mask prevented me from either getting or transmitting any virus, why do I have to "social distance" or why should I need or take a vaccine? I'm wearing a mask and so is the person 6' away from me...so we should be fine, right?
Before anyone tells me "Do what you want but don't come crying to me when you get it." Remember that the vaccine does not prevent me from getting or transmitting the virus. And a mask, give me a break. I heard that a mask stopping a virus is akin to a chain link fence stopping a BB, totally useless!
As I said before, it's more about control than health, control plain and simple. Hmm what can we get the monkeys to do next? That's what I see and the monkeys are doing whatever the trainers are making them do. And, they are doing it with very little, if any, resistance.
I wear the stupid mask because our Commie governor mandated as much (no law mind you simply a mandate). And guess what, shops and shop owners who do not comply will be, and have been, punished. Hair salons restaurants and pubs have lost their license for not bowing the knee here in Pennsylvania. People need to stand up and just quit "obeying". There are more of us than there are of them. But I just don't see it...sheep will be sheep. That's what they do!
I still don’t understand how this is an “experimental” vaccine? The reason it’s been produced quickly have been covered in many places - none of which make it an “experimental” vaccine. This is the crux of the problem in my view.
The vaccine does more than lessen the symptoms, it has been shown to make the condition treatable and not require hospitalisation and block resources as it does now.
If at least the most vulnerable are vaccinated then yes COVID might still be around circulating but it could be treated like the cold or the flu and people get on with their lives.
I cannot see this mentality of “they” are out to get me/ control me - the reality is that these people (I.e. the govts of this world) couldn’t organise a p*ss up in a brewery!!
The vaccine does more than lessen the symptoms, it has been shown to make the condition treatable and not require hospitalisation and block resources as it does now.
If at least the most vulnerable are vaccinated then yes COVID might still be around circulating but it could be treated like the cold or the flu and people get on with their lives.
I cannot see this mentality of “they” are out to get me/ control me - the reality is that these people (I.e. the govts of this world) couldn’t organise a p*ss up in a brewery!!
The vaccine looks to be safe, looks like no issues to the few million that have already received it so how much more is there to discuss :roll:
It won't get any better anytime soon but the point is the more people who accept the vaccine the better and the sooner things will improve and return to some kind of normality.
I don't see the point arguing the toss about it, just be thankful we have the vaccine accept it and move on.
Tim.
It won't get any better anytime soon but the point is the more people who accept the vaccine the better and the sooner things will improve and return to some kind of normality.
I don't see the point arguing the toss about it, just be thankful we have the vaccine accept it and move on.
Tim.
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mgrlane said:
This is what I hope happens.
It morphs Futher into something similar to the flu.
Drug companies are happy as they can sell a yearly "top up" and make their millions and we can all get on with things.
Z4C_er said:
The pandemic requires "crisis management" and the only measure of success is how the damage to health and welfare of the Nation (that means all age groups, including the very elderly) and the cost to the Economy is minimised. The impact on us all is truly MASSIVE in many different ways as it would be with a war, famine, a devastating weather event or large meteor impact. A pandemic is one of Nature's perils which threatens us all and governments around the world are all attempting to protect their citizens as best they think they can.
We're all in the same "boat" in the UK and so do you think that once someone has been vaccinated that they should be instantly allowed off the "boat" and free to roam the sunny shores whilst the rest of us remain locked on board like the passengers of the Diamond Princess? And do you think that anyone else who wishes to join them should also be allowed to do so?
I have had my freedom severely curtailed, the same as everybody else and my freedom and civil rights are as important to me, as yours are to you, as they are to everyone else. There are absolutely no benefits other than, in the face of this pandemic, it is the most sensible course of action for us all to participate in the lockdown and mass vaccination programme, so that as many of us as possible can get immunity ASAP to create the "herd immunity" we need to protect ourselves so that we can return to as near-normal life with minimal restrictions.Z4C_er said:
Z4C_er said:
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n86
From the "horse's mouth, so to speak. I hope the BMJ is a sufficiently independent and respected publication for you to peer review.
Z4C_er said:
I’m not sure I quite understand the question- do you mean has a vaccine trial (or any trial) been sped along like this? The answer is I don’t know as there are many thousands of trials happening - I would assume that most are slow and cumbersome ... if anything I would love if this “faster” method could be adopted going forwards - the only “shortcuts” really have been in removing/ speeding up the red tape.
Bear in mind also that most trials have a provision to end early if a drug or process is showing spectacular results - such that everyone gets the benefits sooner rather than later - or would you prefer that, say, cancer patients in such a trial, that could be taking a life saving treatment continue taking a placebo such that the trial runs “long enough”?? As infuriating as the red tape is at times, for myself included, they do show common sense sometimes!
ProfCJJ said:
I've got to admit, your last line made me chuckle. You surely got that right, the government could screw up a one car funeral.
But, to deny that there are those who want to control the masses...Well I think that is simply a denial of world history. Do I really have to list the megalomaniacs scattered through all human history to prove that point, I think not. And if you think those types no longer exist in our world of today, then I would say you are in denial and quite frankly naive.
Research the World Economic Forum (WEF) and Agenda 2030. Doing so will give you some insight to those who are control freaks in our day and age. They surely think they know what's best for us and they have plans to accomplish their agenda. I saw a video produced by the WEF where in one scene there is the face of a smiling young man, the voice over actually says, “You'll own nothing and be happy.” Really !!? But, no, they don't want to control anyone.
With respect to the vaccines being experimental, a search of the Net brings up those with varying opinions. There are groups of doctors who use that term regarding the current Covid vaccines, https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...mental-and-should-never-be-mandated-or-forced is just one example.
And unless I'm mistaken, and I am not, an mRNA vaccine has never been approved for use on humans before. Used in human trials, yes but as an approved vaccine...this is a first. Some might consider that fact alone places this vaccine in the experimental category. Should that be a fact then the Nuremberg Code should apply and I doubt that all 10 points are being covered with respect to the 2 current vaccines used on those receiving the vaccine.
Just my thoughts and why I will continue to refuse the vaccine. Unlike those who are the control freaks among us, I basically take a libertarian stance on the whole issue. If you want it, take it. If you try to force it on me or make me suffer in any of various ways if I refuse then that is simply wrong and flies in the face of freedom and self determination.
exdos said:
I wasn't the one who first implied this. Unfortunately I don't recall the member who posted that "fact", I was replying to his or her post. Perhaps the member who posted that info will reply.
Personally I would not get the vaccine even if it was proven that it did protect me from getting the virus. As I said earlier, I'll take my chances and I am 65 years old and take medication for hypertension. So I guess I would be considered someone who is in a vulnerable class. But I'd rather take my chances than take an experimental (IMO...OK) vaccine.
I have seen videos of people who have suffered terrible consequences after getting "the jab" some have even died...Again, I'll take my chances. A 99%+ survival rate, I'll take my chances. I am O Neg blood type, supposedly O blood types have less chance of contracting the virus, I have also been taking vitamin D3 (per doctor's orders) for several years and it is supposed to have a prophylactic effect as well.
Once again, take the vaccine I couldn't care less just don't force me or make me suffer governmental or societal consequences just because I don't want to subject my body to what I consider an assault to my freedoms. Whatever happened to the mantra of the pro abortion group..."My body, my choice" (I think that is dishonest on it's face but that's another thread) but in this case I feel if fully applies.
Scientists are not sure if the vaccine stops you being infected with Covid, that answer will come in a few months one way or another. Scientists are not sure if the vaccine will prevent you spreading the virus if you can still get infected, that answer will also come in time. One thing is sure, the vaccine will reduce if not eliminate your chances of dying from the virus. That one thing for me is worth having the vaccine for. It's very much like the flu vaccine, it doesn't stop you catching or transmitting flu, but does stop you dying from it. My good friend died of flu last year just before Covid hit. He did not have the flu vaccine but he would be alive today if he had.
In response to Old-Duckman, Its not control of any kind to say no vaccine no fly. It's your free choice how you want to live your life. All decisions have consequences. You step out in front of a car or you choose not to. The decision is yours but the outcome of that decision may have consequences but it's your free choice. Nobody is controlling your decision and as you say, your body your choice.
Old-Duckman said:
To be clear on this point, I did NOT say I don’t think governments want to “control us” - I said that even if they have those aspirations that just can’t do it (I am of course talking about Democratic governments ...)
Perhaps I am naive - I prefer to think I’m pragmatic!