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Stevo1987 said:I am finding it a struggle mentally. Maybe something to do with my three grown up children being back at home! :lol: . I wasn't ready for that. Have any of you lot been offered the flu jab who wouldn't have normally? My GP is is offering it to all from ages 50-64. I just sneaked into that range of course.
Yep, had the flu jab the other day. I’m 55 & haven’t been offered it before now-apparently it’s bleak if you catch the flu on top of covid which would also be bad for the hospital situation.
Rob
This was raised as a concern back in October (or before), but has never eventuated. The flu has somehow vanished into thin air....Smartbear said:Stevo1987 said:I am finding it a struggle mentally. Maybe something to do with my three grown up children being back at home! :lol: . I wasn't ready for that. Have any of you lot been offered the flu jab who wouldn't have normally? My GP is is offering it to all from ages 50-64. I just sneaked into that range of course.
Yep, had the flu jab the other day. I’m 55 & haven’t been offered it before now-apparently it’s bleak if you catch the flu on top of covid which would also be bad for the hospital situation.
Rob
Somehow.....
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/950424/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w1_FINAL.PDF
I am booked in for Saturday.Smartbear said:Stevo1987 said:I am finding it a struggle mentally. Maybe something to do with my three grown up children being back at home! :lol: . I wasn't ready for that. Have any of you lot been offered the flu jab who wouldn't have normally? My GP is is offering it to all from ages 50-64. I just sneaked into that range of course.
Yep, had the flu jab the other day. I’m 55 & haven’t been offered it before now-apparently it’s bleak if you catch the flu on top of covid which would also be bad for the hospital situation.
Rob
Smartbear said:Stevo1987 said:I am finding it a struggle mentally. Maybe something to do with my three grown up children being back at home! :lol: . I wasn't ready for that. Have any of you lot been offered the flu jab who wouldn't have normally? My GP is is offering it to all from ages 50-64. I just sneaked into that range of course.
Yep, had the flu jab the other day. I’m 55 & haven’t been offered it before now-apparently it’s bleak if you catch the flu on top of covid which would also be bad for the hospital situation.
Rob
I used to get one through work then paid for one the last few years - but can't get one this year too many older people (well over 65's so older than me) getting them. I've had flu (proper flu when you can't get out of bed flu) and I'm not keen to get if if I can avoid it.
Local GP still doing 65+ and pharmacy's out of stock since October
Has flu got less because of social distancing this winter?
Crazy Harry said:
Probably this and people being more hygienic in general, washing their hands etc
mgrlane said:
It's been suggested several times in this thread that anyone who has been diagnosed with C-19 but gets killed by a bus is recorded as a C-19 death and not a death by RTA in the ONS statistics.
In that link it states:
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"Definition of COVID-19
The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. We use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19. When taking into account all of the deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not, we use the term "involving COVID-19". Age-standardised rates for deaths due to COVID-19 and involving COVID-19 are available in the accompanying dataset.
Our definition of COVID-19 (regardless of whether it was the underlying cause or mentioned elsewhere on the death certificate) includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain. For example, a doctor may have clinically diagnosed COVID-19 based on symptoms, but this diagnosis may not have been confirmed because no test was available, or the test result was inconclusive.
Of the 61,361 deaths due to COVID-19, 3,971 (6.5%) were classified as "suspected" COVID-19. Including all deaths involving COVID-19, "suspected" COVID-19 was recorded on 6.7% (4,538 deaths) of all deaths involving COVID-19 in England and Wales."
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Does a death by RTA actually "involve" C-19 for anyone who has been diagnosed as having tested positive for C-19? I don't interpret the ONS as saying that it does when the "underlying cause of death" is from a human body coming off worse than a bus in a collision..
Whilst researching the above topic I came across this article from the Sun (I know, I know)....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12714515/coronavirus-death-toll-overcounting/
But the thing is, this article was from September last year, and states that there was miscounting due to the phrase of dying 'with' Covid, rather than dying 'from' Covid.
So then here we have another reason why I hate the BBC. This is a screen dump from January 6 2021:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12714515/coronavirus-death-toll-overcounting/
But the thing is, this article was from September last year, and states that there was miscounting due to the phrase of dying 'with' Covid, rather than dying 'from' Covid.
So then here we have another reason why I hate the BBC. This is a screen dump from January 6 2021:
You're not getting it because....well, look where you live.Crazy Harry said:Smartbear said:Stevo1987 said:I am finding it a struggle mentally. Maybe something to do with my three grown up children being back at home! :lol: . I wasn't ready for that. Have any of you lot been offered the flu jab who wouldn't have normally? My GP is is offering it to all from ages 50-64. I just sneaked into that range of course.
Yep, had the flu jab the other day. I’m 55 & haven’t been offered it before now-apparently it’s bleak if you catch the flu on top of covid which would also be bad for the hospital situation.
Rob
I used to get one through work then paid for one the last few years - but can't get one this year too many older people (well over 65's so older than me) getting them. I've had flu (proper flu when you can't get out of bed flu) and I'm not keen to get if if I can avoid it.
Local GP still doing 65+ and pharmacy's out of stock since October
Has flu got less because of social distancing this winter?
It is free for me. Less flu coz of social, distancing, masks etc - A shame it doesn't work for covid.
I have survived 40 years post impact so far. Got the arthritis coz of it thoughexdos said:My late father was also run over by a bus, and suffered a nasty fractured pelvis though, but survived for a further 51 years, so the prospects look good for you unless you get C-19.Stevo1987 said:
I honestly don't get this obsession with forensically questioning the cause of death. I'm happy to trust the professionals making the call. The bottom line, and surely that is what counts, is that deaths (average over 5 years compared to a baseline) are higher than they have been for 70 years. Of course its difficult to attribute cause when there are multiple conditions at play (and that has always been the case, even before Covid) but the overall level is what counts isn't it? If someone is attributed as dying from Covid they don't die from Sepsis and vice versa.
Furthermore if someone dies of a non Covid condition because of delayed treatment because hospital beds are full of Covid patients then should we not attribute the root cause of their death to Covid? even though they won't be counted in the covid reported deaths. I hear lots of people querying the accuracy of the Covid death figures wanting (presumably) to bring the numbers down but very few arguing the opposite. The bottom line death counts cuts through both arguments doesn't it?? Perhaps there might be some deaths where people have died because they didn't seek help when there was capacity in the NHS and that help might have prevented them from dying but impossible to assess?
If for, arguments sake, we reduced the reported Covid death numbers would that change the bottom line numbers? I'd argue it might even increase them because we'd take Covid less seriously and that would lead to the virus spreading even more widely which would inevitably lead to more deaths.
Furthermore if someone dies of a non Covid condition because of delayed treatment because hospital beds are full of Covid patients then should we not attribute the root cause of their death to Covid? even though they won't be counted in the covid reported deaths. I hear lots of people querying the accuracy of the Covid death figures wanting (presumably) to bring the numbers down but very few arguing the opposite. The bottom line death counts cuts through both arguments doesn't it?? Perhaps there might be some deaths where people have died because they didn't seek help when there was capacity in the NHS and that help might have prevented them from dying but impossible to assess?
If for, arguments sake, we reduced the reported Covid death numbers would that change the bottom line numbers? I'd argue it might even increase them because we'd take Covid less seriously and that would lead to the virus spreading even more widely which would inevitably lead to more deaths.
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You don't care if someone lies?Vornwend said:
You don't care if there's a widespread distortion of the truth?
You don't question why this could be happening or who is driving it?
You don't care that this has happened only for Covid, and that your life has been turned upside down and economies ruined possibly because of such lies or distortions?
You don't care that the WHO just summarily changed the definition of herd immunity overnight after hundreds of years of medical foundation just to suit the rollout of vaccine?
Z4C_er said:
Who says the ONS figures are correct? - if there were to be a cover up why trust this information?
If you can't trust the system then the only option is to get elected or take power and become the system. There is no truth because everyone evaluates situations or information according to their personal experiences.
Increasingly in the internet age we lean toward black and white / right and wrong positions (read my earlier post about trusting information) and schools and society and social networking have compounded that world view. We also expect instant information and decisions - I have dealt with incidents where people external to my organisation have phoned in to complain before the issue was even reported to me by my staff!
We know more than people ever did - about more things so we expect to know more. People fill voids with incomplete information or just make it up for devilment. No wonder the incidence of mental issues is on the up.
Z4C_er said:
I've previously asked in this thread:
"I am familiar with the Bilderberg Group and the concept of the creation of the New World Order, but can you please explain how any form of conspiracy surrounding the C-19 pandemic would fit in with the agenda of mass manipulation of the World population by those in power?"
which you addressed, and to which I responded:
"I am quite willing to seeing a conspiracy, but in the case of C-19, I simply cannot see how the pandemic might further the agenda of increased power to governments and other interested individual and powerful players in the civilised West. If you, or anyone else, can explain how a conspiracy might be operating surrounding C-19, I'm more than willing to have it explained to me and I'm open to believe a credible explanation. However, as matters stand, I very much believe that a mass vaccination programme against C-19 is our best chance of escape from the situation in which the world finds itself in."
I don't recall anyone ever explaining why governments would want to lie about the effects of C-19 and give us misinformation regarding the number of deaths etc. Who do you think is lying to us and why?
I don't want to be lied to but I don't believe there is a conspiracy
I accept that experts often disagree but am assured that the majority are on the same page on this
I can accept the ONS figures as being not perfect but good enough
I believe that if the ONS figures were wrong we would have heard about it and corrected it by now
Significant levels of excess deaths, hospitals under severe pressure, consistent evidence of a worldwide pandemic. That's good enoiugh for me to support the things we are doing
I accept that experts often disagree but am assured that the majority are on the same page on this
I can accept the ONS figures as being not perfect but good enough
I believe that if the ONS figures were wrong we would have heard about it and corrected it by now
Significant levels of excess deaths, hospitals under severe pressure, consistent evidence of a worldwide pandemic. That's good enoiugh for me to support the things we are doing
Z4C_er said:
I've been careful not to get into the discussion of view points my concern is that its possibly easier for those of us not brought up in the digital age to 'feel' more certain of what we know.
Its estimated that one week of the New York times has more information that someone would have come across in a lifetime in the 18th Century - people knew stuff but their knowledge was narrow and deep not broad based as today. I mean they knew everything about the land they worked - it was experiential 'craft' knowledge. If they did not learn (observe it themselves) they had to listen to what others said; some they would trust and others not.
As kids we go through a similar process we learn from (trust) our parents; then teachers; then books and friends; pre internet we read papers and your view was formed by the paper you took - socialist worker; Sun; Telegraph - you had to trust the editors. Radio and TV also but now we are prepared to question more and we know some sources have done us over BBC for one! oh and MPs and Governments do do - weapons of mass destruction for example.
The hard part now is deciding who to trust .... but just because every now and again an MP lies (as they have always done) or someone presents the same facts as a different truth it doesn't mean that they will always do that. Assuming they always will lie is going to beak your head.
The information I gave is taken from a short presentation I used to show to staff to get them thinking (I was in education by the way). Its an oldish presentation but still thought provoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06BXgWbGvA