The jab ..

[Argyll Andy]

John, this is what I got told when I was at the doctor the other day. I was given a projected date of mid February but they get the vaccine in batches of set amounts and if they get no shows or cancellations I might get a phone call to go up and get it early to use the spares up.

Was also told it’ll be the Oxford one as most smaller/rural practices don’t have the correct storage facilities for the Pfizer one

Yep no point in wasting it is there Andy.

I’m assuming we’ll get the Oxford one here too, rural Derbyshire, although we’re only 12 miles from Sheffield and Chesterfield so who knows..? I don’t give a chuff....just get the thing in my arm ASAP..... :lol:

If people don't turn up they offer it to the GP practice staff.

Stevo, that’s how we got onto the subject. The day I was up all doctors surgery and hospital staff locally got it on the one day by a mobile team who have the storage facilities and are travelling around our health board vaccinating as almost none of medical our facilities are Pfizer capable.

Maybe one of the small drawbacks of a non dual carriageway authority

 

[Stevo1987]

Yep no point in wasting it is there Andy.

I’m assuming we’ll get the Oxford one here too, rural Derbyshire, although we’re only 12 miles from Sheffield and Chesterfield so who knows..? I don’t give a chuff....just get the thing in my arm ASAP..... :lol:

If people don't turn up they offer it to the GP practice staff.

Stevo, that’s how we got onto the subject. The day I was up all doctors surgery and hospital staff locally got it on the one day by a mobile team who have the storage facilities and are travelling around our health board vaccinating as almost none of medical our facilities are Pfizer capable.

Maybe one of the small drawbacks of a non dual carriageway authority

Bloomin' crofters!

 

[Old-Duckman]

Is she not classed as 'front line' - and dealing with mothers who have not had the jab?

As I think most understand it is that the jab will not prevent one catching it or passing it on.

OK, I guess I’m not included in the “most understand “ group. Please enlighten me.

If the vaccine will not prevent one from contracting the virus nor prevent one from passing it on...What exactly is the point in giving or receiving it?

What am I missing here?

 

[Stevo1987]

Is she not classed as 'front line' - and dealing with mothers who have not had the jab?

As I think most understand it is that the jab will not prevent one catching it or passing it on.

OK, I guess I’m not included in the “most understand “ group. Please enlighten me.

If the vaccine will not prevent one from contracting the virus nor prevent one from passing it on...What exactly is the point in giving or receiving it?

What am I missing here?

You won't get so ill if you catch it.

 

[Flyingfifer]

You won't get so ill if you catch it.

For an indeterminate length of time (may be as little as 90days) before the "protection" wears off

 

[Argyll Andy]

You won't get so ill if you catch it.

For an indeterminate length of time (may be as little as 90days) before the "protection" wears off

That’s a worry for me as someone who is relying heavily on being vaccinated. If it only lasts 90 day we’re fecked unless they go onto some sort of self immunisation program, which I have no idea if such a thing is feasible/possible, because there’s no way the NHS can cope with a constant rolling vaccination situation

 

[exdos]

For those who have doubted the effect of the C-19 pandenmic in the UK being worse than that caused by seasonal influenza, the Office for National Statistics has today released figures which show there were close to 697,000 deaths in the UK in 2020 - nearly 85,000 more than would be expected based on the average in the previous five years. This represents an increase of 14% - making it the largest rise in excess deaths for more than 75 years. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

So who still says C-19 is no worse than seasonal Influenza and would anyone like to offer another explanation for the excess deaths in 2020?

 

[john-e89]

As far as I know there is no concrete time on the vaccines life span, but I thought the idea was to jab the population a couple of times a year until the virus has died down to a very very small number, then as time rolls on further vaccines capable of lasting years will be developed no...? :?

 

[john-e89]

For those who have doubted the effect of the C-19 pandenmic in the UK being worse than that caused by seasonal influenza, the Office for National Statistics has today released figures which show there were close to 697,000 deaths in the UK in 2020 - nearly 85,000 more than would be expected based on the average in the previous five years. This represents an increase of 14% - making it the largest rise in excess deaths for more than 75 years. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

So who still says C-19 is no worse than seasonal Influenza and would anyone like to offer another explanation for the excess deaths in 2020?

Yep, you cannot argue with that can you. Not only the death figures, but huge numbers of ill patients continuing to take up NHS services and staff. All these phone camera films of empty wards doing the rounds is bulls**t, these wards don’t have covid patients in them, they’re on different relevant wards along with most of the hospitals staff. I really really hate this propaganda utter crap being peddled by morons suggesting the hospitals and GP surgeries are not stretched to the limit, it’s wrong and it’s damn right atrocious and malicious to suggest otherwise.

 

[exdos]

The daily figures for new cases of C-19 after testing must be gross underestimations. The random sampling suggesting 1in 30 people were infected in London a couple of weeks ago must be a far more accurate representation.

 

[Stevo1987]

"As far as I know there is no concrete time on the vaccines life span, but times a year until the virus has died down to a very very small number"

I don't think they know if the jab will lead to the virus dying to a very, very small number. It appears one will be protected from the worst effects of the virus by the jab for an unspecified amount of time. Hopefully, it will reduce infections but there is no data at the moment to confirm that. My daughter had the jab today but it doesn't mean she can't pick up the virus and pass it on to all of us at home.

 

[Stevo1987]

For those who have doubted the effect of the C-19 pandenmic in the UK being worse than that caused by seasonal influenza, the Office for National Statistics has today released figures which show there were close to 697,000 deaths in the UK in 2020 - nearly 85,000 more than would be expected based on the average in the previous five years. This represents an increase of 14% - making it the largest rise in excess deaths for more than 75 years. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

So who still says C-19 is no worse than seasonal Influenza and would anyone like to offer another explanation for the excess deaths in 2020?

Yep, you cannot argue with that can you. Not only the death figures, but huge numbers of ill patients continuing to take up NHS services and staff. All these phone camera films of empty wards doing the rounds is bulls**t, these wards don’t have covid patients in them, they’re on different relevant wards along with most of the hospitals staff. I really really hate this propaganda utter crap being peddled by morons suggesting the hospitals and GP surgeries are not stretched to the limit, it’s wrong and it’s damn right atrocious and malicious to suggest otherwise.

It also says this in the BBC article......

There were close to 697,000 deaths in 2020 - nearly 85,000 more than would be expected based on the average in the previous five years.

This represents an increase of 14% - making it the largest rise in excess deaths for more than 75 years.

When the age and size of the population is taken into account, 2020 saw the worst death rates since the 2000s.

This measure - known as age-standardised mortality - takes into account population growth and age.

The data is only available until November - so the impact of deaths in December have not yet been taken into account - but it shows the death rate at that stage was at its highest in England since 2008.

 

[Nanu]

An 82 year old relative has been given a date to receive the jab, lives in Stafford and been told to go to one of the new large hubs at either Birmingham, Manchester or Peterborough, he's not happy and doesn't want to travel so far has contacted his Counsellor who has gone away and found out if your not happy you can postpone the jab for somewhere nearer. I get the impression these large venue hubs have been set up to do as many people as fast as possible but what hasn't been considered is how on earth are elderly people who probably don't drive, petrified of using public transport are expected to get there, also ironic they are trying to do the most vulnerable first and inviting them to highly populated places with high levels of Covid cases

Tim.

The hubs are meant for exactly as you say. I have a friend who was offered such an appointment in Newcastle but he was shielding so was reluctant to go. Contacted his local GP and was told he could have his vaccine there this Thursday.

 

[ronk]

I don’t think the jab will be the magic wand but it’s the only hope we have to get back to some sort of normal life - being in Cat 4 I’m due my jab by mid Feb

I sometimes wonder how many who’ve previously said NO to a jab have changed their minds now that the evidence has stacked up against their opinions and hopes of alternative method of control have failed , and so catastrophically.

 

[Z4C_er]

For those who have doubted the effect of the C-19 pandenmic in the UK being worse than that caused by seasonal influenza, the Office for National Statistics has today released figures which show there were close to 697,000 deaths in the UK in 2020 - nearly 85,000 more than would be expected based on the average in the previous five years. This represents an increase of 14% - making it the largest rise in excess deaths for more than 75 years. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

So who still says C-19 is no worse than seasonal Influenza and would anyone like to offer another explanation for the excess deaths in 2020?

I don't deny that Covid-19 has killed thousands.
The excess deaths are not only directly from Covid-19. There have been many, many people that have taken their own life due to businesses being destroyed. There have been many deaths from people who can't get medical treatment in time, or were too scared to leave their home. Many have died from cancer because they couldn't get treatment.

 

[Z4C_er]

The BBC article does not mention this at all. Which if you were giving a balanced overview you probably would.

The full ONS details are here if it's of interest.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020#age-standardised-mortality-rates-by-sex-and-age-group-in-november-2020

Thanks for this. I was especially interested to read that:
"COVID-19” includes only deaths where COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death.
How could they know this, when anyone that tests positive and then dies from anything within 28 days is listed as a Covid-19 death?
We've covered this before. If you're hit by a bus 15 days after testing positive for Covid, you're recorded as a Covid death.
So as far as I'm concerned, these figures are extremely rubbery.

 

[Z4C_er]

All these phone camera films of empty wards doing the rounds is bulls**t, these wards don’t have covid patients in them, they’re on different relevant wards along with most of the hospitals staff. I really really hate this propaganda utter crap being peddled by morons suggesting the hospitals and GP surgeries are not stretched to the limit, it’s wrong and it’s damn right atrocious and malicious to suggest otherwise.

You're right. It's a stupid thing to do. Irresponsible and heartless.
But, do they deserve jail time?
https://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/19005968.four-arrested-suspicion-causing-public-nuisance-worcestershire-hospitals/
This is when it gets stupid. There are plenty of other people out there peddling religious hate speech, wielding knives, causing serious injuries (or planning to) that need to be locked up. This causes "serious public concern".
Not these guys. They're just buffoons.

 

[Stevo1987]

I don’t think the jab will be the magic wand but it’s the only hope we have to get back to some sort of normal life - being in Cat 4 I’m due my jab by mid Feb

I sometimes wonder how many who’ve previously said NO to a jab have changed their minds now that the evidence has stacked up against their opinions and hopes of alternative method of control have failed , and so catastrophically.

I think you are calling it too early Ronk. I hope it is the case because I have had enough of this the same as everyone else. Even if the jab does show a way forward when will some semblance of normal life return? Roll on the spring......

 

[ronk]

Oh I don’t think it will happen overnight and I tend to agree with your Springtime estimate.

It’s a welcome start

 

[Vornwend]

All these phone camera films of empty wards doing the rounds is bulls**t, these wards don’t have covid patients in them, they’re on different relevant wards along with most of the hospitals staff. I really really hate this propaganda utter crap being peddled by morons suggesting the hospitals and GP surgeries are not stretched to the limit, it’s wrong and it’s damn right atrocious and malicious to suggest otherwise.

You're right. It's a stupid thing to do. Irresponsible and heartless.
But, do they deserve jail time?
https://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/19005968.four-arrested-suspicion-causing-public-nuisance-worcestershire-hospitals/
This is when it gets stupid. There are plenty of other people out there peddling religious hate speech, wielding knives, causing serious injuries (or planning to) that need to be locked up. This causes "serious public concern".
Not these guys. They're just buffoons.

They are way more than buffoons. They are conspiracists attempting to underrmine the nations effort to combat this awful disease. Bufoons may be found in other corridors but these idiots deserve our contempt and no amount of what aboutery excuses their behaviour. It wasn't some saturday night prank after a few too many or a naive moment of madness. It was a concerted and pre-conceived plan to mislead with no thought for the consequences. If it requires fines and even prison sentences to stamp it out I for one would support it.