The jab ..

Poll Poll Will you take the COVID jab

  • Of course

    Votes: 158 79.0%

  • Hell no

    Votes: 18 9.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 5.5%

  • After results of first round are known

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Total voters
    200
mgrlane said:
So are we just discounting anyone that has already had the virus these days as having any form of immunity?

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If we'd had the internet and social media in the 1950s then I'm sure we'd still have Polio in our midst.
 
exdos said:
mgrlane said:
So are we just discounting anyone that has already had the virus these days as having any form of immunity?

etc.
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If we'd had the internet and social media in the 1950s then I'm sure we'd still have Polio in our midst.
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... and I offer you the MMR vaccine as an example from the internet age. Given at an age when by coincidence, autism often presents in children I understand from the GP's in my family - the this was the one that kick started the anti vaccination movement
 
exdos said:
mgrlane said:
So are we just discounting anyone that has already had the virus these days as having any form of immunity?

etc.
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If we'd had the internet and social media in the 1950s then I'm sure we'd still have Polio in our midst.
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To be fair there was an almighty cock up when a faulty batch of the live vaccine was injected! Salk / Seiben I can never remember which was which!
As you said tho, if we’d had something better than the BBC Home Service!!!!
 
Thanks - that’s refreshed my memory!
I think safety protocols and manufacturing methods have improved in 60 years
 
mgrlane said:
exdos said:
mgrlane said:
So is that a yes then?
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Read my posting timed at 10:31 yesterday https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=126014&start=570 - 3rd posting from the top. :thumbsup:
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Sorry read it,

But what does it actually mean?

"a vaccine may provide a surer immune response than natural infection. Preliminary data have shown that individuals who received the Moderna vaccine in a clinical trial had more antibodies than a natural infection usually produces."

Very lose words there "usually produces" and "may provides"?

My SI has more BHP than the 4pot but both cars will get you from A to B?

How much BHP or antibodies does the average person need to stop themselves from getting the virus?
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My other favourites are "there is no evidence to suggest", or "we have not seen any cases to confirm"... etc.
 
mgrlane said:
How much BHP or antibodies does the average person need to stop themselves from getting the virus?
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We all have an immune system, which can provide a "spectrum" of responses so that different people respond in different ways to the same stimulus. Some people produce a severe allergic response (anaphylaxis) to substances which trigger no response to the vast majority of the population, for example peanuts. Likewise, a greater number of people produce a milder allergic response to pollen (hay fever) which has no effect on most of us. Some people have auto-immune conditions where the person's own immune system reacts against the individuals own tissues. So what is an "average person" when it comes to the immune response?

This article https://theconversation.com/coronav...xposed-to-determine-how-sick-youll-get-135119
suggests that in the case of the Norovirus, it requires a viral load of just 18 viral particles to produce an infection and also suggests that for some viral infections, the level of disease is proportionate to viral load. Therefore, to overcome any virus infection, your immune system needs to produce sufficient antibodies and T-cells to kill off the dose you've had, whatever that may be.

I think we should assume that the vaccine developers for C-19 will have used their knowledge of other viruses and infections to produce vaccines which will produce an antibody response and immunity at least as great as a severe natural infection by the C-19 virus. In the case of the Moderna vaccine, that appears to be the case.
 
Again, for clarity, the current vaccine DOES NOT offer permanent immunity.

Natural immunity appears to be 90 days, its likely that the vaccine will last longer but that is not a certainty
 
mgrlane said:
Not trying to pick you apart or anything but how do we know 90 days?

I would suspect that there would be 1000's of people on the news for having covid twice or three times?

Gosh you are quids in if you develop a vaccine that people have to take twice 4 times a year 😂😂😂😂
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It was from the CDC website Clicky however that precise figure of 90days has been removed, its far more vague now "Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long"

Although I did find this as well Clicky2

I also found this in a Government document:
"The length of immunity conferred by natural infection or vaccination is currently not
known. Waning immunity is believed to partly underlie the propensity for other
coronaviruses to reinfect after 1-2 years. Studies on MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV
found waning antibody levels over this time period. Reinfections with seasonal
coronaviruses occurs frequently at 12 months, sometimes as early as 6 months but
not within three months. Therefore, based on the variability in the data and
differential responses in the population we conservatively estimate that a protective
immune response after SARS-CoV-2 infection or vaccination may last for 90 days
(moderate confidence)."
Sauce: Saucy
 
This hardly inspires confidence... So what wil they do to the front line workers that refuse the jab? Put them off work?
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Then they say they don't even know if it stops transmission, but hell, just get it anyway.
Sounds like an experiment, and we're the guinea pigs.
That also cop the bill.
 
There’s also so much fake news flying about both for & against hard to see the wood from the trees
 
Z4C_er said:
"Weird"? Really? Even if it's proven to be caused by the vaccine, you're unlikely to ever hear about it again.
The big pharmas will lean on the hospital to have her death being the result of anything but the vaccine.
But, I'm happy to be proven wrong. Let's wait and see.
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I know that tonally text isn't easy but I thought I was fairly explicit in my irony :rofl: :poke:
 
Regrettable for anyone, though IMO Darwin’s theory of Natural Selection, some will fall, others will survive & am sure we’ve all had enough life experiences & watched enough TV & films to understand this is the reality.
 
I've had the Pfizer jab on the 31st, currently typing with my third arm.

Felt a bit rough the evening and day following, common side effects like headache, slight raised temp but by the 3rd I was out running etc

Nurse and the death (first time I'm hearing about it), cause or effect? Cars should be banned because many people die in them?
 
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