The jab ..

[Z4C_er]

Me personally I’m not calling you guys anything, it’s your choice as I’ve always said, I don’t agree but that’s not the point, but you’re going against every single GP in this country....you trust them with pretty much everything else yes..? They don’t always get it right, god knows I know that from my experience, just one at a very good surgery generally, do you question every and research every drug you’re given...?

Your choice guys, I’m just curious is all.

I'll tell you story that's happening to me right now.
Firstly a bit of background. I have been giving blood for over 30 years. I'm a good bleeder, and every time I go to give blood, they remark what good iron levels I have.
Recently I was advised to have an ECG and blood test as a matter of routine, seeing how I'm in my 50's. I went and had the ECG and blood test. In the next couple of days I developed the shingles (unrelated). I went to the doctor about this and whilst there I mentioned that I had just given blood, and would this be affected, or even did it show up on the tests? In fact, the blood tests had returned and the triage nurse that was seeing me for the shingles looked over the results, and told me everything was OK.
Fast forward two weeks later.
I get the follow-up call from the doctor to discuss the results and he tells me I'm very anemic. My B12 levels are very low and I need to come in for a course of booster shots.
I dutifully go in and receive the shots. 3 times a week for a month. I have never felt worse. My heart is jumping out of my chest and generally I feel lousy. I'm supposed to now routinely go back and get 3 month boosters.
I call the surgery and tell them that I should have another test to see if indeed I actually need a booster or whether the shots I was given have done the trick. Twice I have called, and twice I have been denied a test.
If you put oil in your car, you check the dipstick don't you?
But who am I actually dealing with? When I call, I get a lot of "hmmmm"s and "that does sound right" but also a hell of a lot of, "the doctor doesn't think you need a test" without even talking to me.
I won't go back.
If I walk in and say my heart is playing up, what do you think the response will be? "We've fkd up", or "you need more pills"?

 

[ronk]

Ronk won't want to read this....
...or this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48377232

Oh, come on! As a taxpayer funded organisation, the NHS is considered "fair game" by every supplier to the service: it's not just the pharmaceutical companies, it's the construction firms, equipment suppliers, staff agencies, IT developers etc. etc. The list is endless.

Ive read it - but you'll have to explain what it has to do with taking/not taking the jab?

 

[exdos]

Ronk won't want to read this....
...or this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48377232

Oh, come on! As a taxpayer funded organisation, the NHS is considered "fair game" by every supplier to the service: it's not just the pharmaceutical companies, it's the construction firms, equipment suppliers, staff agencies, IT developers etc. etc. The list is endless.

Ive read it - but you'll have to explain what it has to do with taking/not taking the jab?

Z4C_er referred to the article in the link, which I assume he did to demonstrate how pharmaceutical companies are inherently dishonest by agreeing with each other not to compete with each other on specific drugs so that one company can have a monopoly in order to screw the NHS.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I'll tell you story that's happening to me right now.
...
If I walk in and say my heart is playing up, what do you think the response will be? "We've fkd up", or "you need more pills"?

Wait are you suggesting the vaunted specialists have made a mistake!?
Hogwash I say! The experts are infallible! The media told me so!


The reality of the situation is this.

There is a virus that has a high mortality rate for a very specific group of people and is broadly inconsequential to everyone else.
A vaccine was created, it was done in a fraction of the time it took the last time a vaccine was created in record breaking time.
It has then been rushed through testing again in a fraction of the time it would normally take.
There are some people that aren't entirely comfortable with that.
We just aren't keen on taking it yet.
We aren't evil, we aren't stupid or selfish or "aNtI-vAxXeRs" whatever other aspersions you want to cast at us.
We aren't (the majority at least) against the vaccine or others having it.

 

[ronk]

Oh, come on! As a taxpayer funded organisation, the NHS is considered "fair game" by every supplier to the service: it's not just the pharmaceutical companies, it's the construction firms, equipment suppliers, staff agencies, IT developers etc. etc. The list is endless.

Ive read it - but you'll have to explain what it has to do with taking/not taking the jab?

Z4C_er referred to the article in the link, which I assume he did to demonstrate how pharmaceutical companies are inherently dishonest by agreeing with each other not to compete with each other on specific drugs so that one company can have a monopoly in order to screw the NHS.

Yes i do understand that - but what has that got to do with the taking a Jab or not?

 

[exdos]

Yes i do understand that - but what has that got to do with the taking a Jab or not?

Ask Z4C_er it was his point.

 

[ronk]

The reality of the situation is this.

There is a virus that has a high mortality rate for a very specific group of people and is broadly inconsequential to everyone else.
A vaccine was created, it was done in a fraction of the time it took the last time a vaccine was created in record breaking time.
It has then been rushed through testing again in a fraction of the time it would normally take.
There are some people that aren't entirely comfortable with that.
We just aren't keen on taking it yet.
We aren't evil, we aren't stupid or selfish or "aNtI-vAxXeRs" whatever other aspersions you want to cast at us.
We aren't (the majority at least) against the vaccine or others having it.

Well at last somebody has spelled it out why he doesn't want to take the jab! - 38 pages it took to get there!
It is an opinion you feel is correct and there is nothing to argue about - you have based it on information and how it might effect you personally.

 

[Flyingfifer]

The reality of the situation is this.

There is a virus that has a high mortality rate for a very specific group of people and is broadly inconsequential to everyone else.
A vaccine was created, it was done in a fraction of the time it took the last time a vaccine was created in record breaking time.
It has then been rushed through testing again in a fraction of the time it would normally take.
There are some people that aren't entirely comfortable with that.
We just aren't keen on taking it yet.
We aren't evil, we aren't stupid or selfish or "aNtI-vAxXeRs" whatever other aspersions you want to cast at us.
We aren't (the majority at least) against the vaccine or others having it.

Well at last somebody has spelled it out why he doesn't want to take the jab! - 38 pages it took to get there!
It is an opinion you feel is correct and there is nothing to argue about - you have based it on information and how it might effect you personally.

Admittedly I had assumed it was done before lol
If that calculator that someone posted that estimates when you will be offered the jab is anything to go by, I will have to wait till basically the end of next year, at that stage I'd probably just take it

 

[ronk]

Yes i do understand that - but what has that got to do with the taking a Jab or not?

Ask Z4C_er it was his point.

Yes i do understand that - but what has that got to do with the taking a Jab or not?

Ask Z4C_er it was his point.

Ive seen this a lot recently - Is it finger trouble or a glitch - I only hope its not a virus

 

[ronk]

And it's also very clear to me that any amount of information that is presented to you will not change your blinkered vanilla view of the world. Enjoy your blue pill. The Government will do everything for you, companies will only work with your best interests at heart, and your taxes are being distributed to all the correct places. Keep watching the BBC and Disney channel.

My blue pill is 3mg of warfarin daily - what's yours?

 

[Flyingfifer]

Yes i do understand that - but what has that got to do with the taking a Jab or not?

Ask Z4C_er it was his point.

Yes i do understand that - but what has that got to do with the taking a Jab or not?

Ask Z4C_er it was his point.

Ive seen this a lot recently - Is it finger trouble or a glitch - I only hope its not a virus

Ive raised this on the forum but there doesnt really seem to be any interest
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=126370

 

[john-e89]

There is a virus that has a high mortality rate for a very specific group of people and is broadly inconsequential to everyone else.
A vaccine was created, it was done in a fraction of the time it took the last time a vaccine was created in record breaking time.
It has then been rushed through testing again in a fraction of the time it would normally take.
There are some people that aren't entirely comfortable with that.
We just aren't keen on taking it yet.
We aren't evil, we aren't stupid or selfish or "aNtI-vAxXeRs" whatever other aspersions you want to cast at us.
We aren't (the majority at least) against the vaccine or others having it.

Amen.

Just a point on the time it took to create the vaccine, as far as I recall most of the virus that was needed to be understood for a vaccine was understood fairly quickly, how it worked etc, I could go into it with reading back but A, I can’t be bothered and B, does it matter.... so in reality it wasn’t a huge hurdle to overcome to make a vaccine, in fact if I remember correctly a virologist said early last summer a vaccine was very close.

Anyway that’s probably being admittedly a bit pedantic.

 

[ronk]

I seem to remember the boffins saying that a lot of work had been done during the sars/mers thing. Testing has been done in tandem.
Perhaps Prof is in a better to position to confirm this?

The vaccine hasn’t been the knee jerk some would have us believe.

 

[Stevo1987]

Good info here...... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html#:~:text=mRNA%20Vaccines%20Are%20New%2C%20But%20Not%20Unknown&text=This%20means%20the%20process%20can,traditional%20methods%20of%20making%20vaccines.

 

[ronk]

Good info here...... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html#:~:text=mRNA%20Vaccines%20Are%20New%2C%20But%20Not%20Unknown&text=This%20means%20the%20process%20can,traditional%20methods%20of%20making%20vaccines.

 

[Stevo1987]

I am beginning to change my mind about the jab. I might just take it so John can STFU. :lol:

 

[ronk]

I am beginning to change my mind about the jab. I might just take it so John can STFU. :lol:

Your previous post certainly puts some of the previous posts to bed.
I remember the two types of Polio jabs years ago - There were two, the Salk version and the Saben - I can’t remember which bid but one of them was wrongly manufactured and was discredited as it was infecting children.

I suspect this is why so many are saying no the covid vaccine at this time.

 

[Nictrix]

I am beginning to change my mind about the jab. I might just take it so John can STFU. :lol:

Your previous post certainly puts some of the previous posts to bed.
I remember the two types of Polio jabs years ago - There were two, the Salk version and the Saben - I can’t remember which bid but one of them was wrongly manufactured and was discredited as it was infecting children.

I suspect this is why so many are saying no the covid vaccine at this time.

:lol: :lol: What side are you on? :lol: :lol:

 

[john-e89]

Good info here...... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html#:~:text=mRNA%20Vaccines%20Are%20New%2C%20But%20Not%20Unknown&text=This%20means%20the%20process%20can,traditional%20methods%20of%20making%20vaccines.

That’s an American site...!

 

[ronk]

Oh I’m 100 % for a jab, at my age I don’t want nor can afford to waste time like the past 9 months - I was just trying to understand why so many (30 % on here) are against. - I have a suspicion episodes like the Polio thing may be behind their reluctance.
Albeit way back in the late 1950’s