The jab ..

[ProfCJJ]

I simply cannot believe some of the arguments put forward against the vaccine - reprogramming DNA, AI tracking etc etc? It’s simply ridiculous - the reality is even the top governments in the world don’t have near the know how or technology to do these dastardly deed - even if they wanted to. I’m a bioengineering prof, do research in brain-computer interfacing, have a spin out company using AI in health monitoring through behaviour analysis - and it’s bloody hard work to get at just the tip of the iceberg!

I’ve had a number of articles in the media, TV - Most notably “James May’s Big Ideas” (see me route through James’ hair as I stick electrodes to his scalp) - you should see the letters and emails I receive from people around the world - crazy ideas about the govt and church will take my “invention” to control the masses - driven by fear, ignorance, religious fervour and mental health issues.

I guess my point is that people give far to much credit to the powers of the dastardly governments who are controlling us etc - the reality is they couldn’t if they tried. And if people just admitted they did not know to form an opinion and trusted in those that genuinely know perhaps we might not be having this conversation?

But then again, wars are stupid, smoking kills you, etc etc and we still do it ...
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Christopher

Gosh, you were up late writing this. No red wine, I hope? Very sensible comments that I fully agree with, but running your fingers through James May's hair, that is something that makes me cringe.

I’m a bit of a night owl !


Oh to have touched the great and the good!!

He was actually a decent guy to talk to - the other two, less so (was working on a Top Gear special when it all went t*ts-up!)

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Whilst you're "cracking on" you'll be letting the virus freely transmit amongst the population as a WHOLE until we have "herd immunity"

In Z4C's defence he does clearly state about shielding the elderly and the at risk until they are not at risk.

Christ. Just let us pay your pensions will you

 

[exdos]

In Z4C's defence he does clearly state about shielding the elderly and the at risk until they are not at risk.

Christ. Just let us pay your pensions will you

So you think it's alright for the elderly to remain locked up and out of sight (shielding) whilst you are free to roam as you please?

Those whom have reached UK retirement age have also had a working adult life well beyond what you've contributed thus far, have paid, and continue to pay taxes, to support the UK Economy through thick and thin. I hope you survive to reach pensionable age.

 

[BeeEmm]

Christ. Just let us pay your pensions will you

You seem to forget, you are not young anymore, you are in mid-life, have an 11 year old sports car and obviously in the middle of a crises. How very conventional. I don't worry about the virus but do trust in the NHS which started in the year I was born, wasn't that lucky.

It will be a few years before anyone pays my pensions as I contributed to two of my own and now reap the rewards. And, and I also have a state pension that I contributed to by paying 40% tax for many years. I reckon I am due 18 operations, 3 triple heart transplants on top of my free bus travel, don't you? There are lots of retired people like me who have worked for 55 years and are now enjoying life at a more relaxed pace. You will have a few years to go before you can retire and I am sure in that time you will have some 'duvet days' and false sick leave because you feel you deserve it and the world owes you a living. Ho-hum, time for my afternoon nap.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I hope you survive to reach pensionable age.

Fairly unlikely given that the actions of the previous generations have saddled us with debt of unfathomable proportions leading to the pension age being raised and will almost certainly be raised again before we get even close to retirement age. But you're right, us young folk should thank them all for contributing.

Also the idea that a mass vaccination programme will stop covid is short sighted, we dont know if the vaccine is permanent or if it would need to be a yearly thing, we also dont know if it will protect against mutated strains (which wont be prevented by vaccine unless the entire worlds population gets it all at once) the likelihood is this will now be a seasonal event just like the flu.

Also the argument that the selfish young folk not wanting the vaccine puts the old at risk is inaccurate, if you don't want to be at risk... have the vaccine. If you cant have the vaccine? Well sorry.... life isnt fair. There have been multiple vaccines over time that were stopped and recalled due to safety concerns that only come to light sometimes years after their deployment and use although a drug not a vaccine look at thalidomide, this was a horrible mistake but has effected so many lives.

I am 100% supportive of vaccines, I have never refused one and am fundamentally a believer in herd immunity BUT I also believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and this is a vaccine that has been accelerated to a never seen before level, that makes me nervous and given that COVID is highly unlikely to be a danger to me or the vast majority of the population I'm not keen on throwing the dice on the vaccine without consideration for my life and future. If this thing was killing people all over the place or causing terrible suffering or after effects it would be a different story, it would be worth the risk.

 

[ronk]

I simply cannot believe some of the arguments put forward against the vaccine - reprogramming DNA, AI tracking etc etc? It’s simply ridiculous - the reality is even the top governments in the world don’t have near the know how or technology to do these dastardly deed - even if they wanted to. I’m a bioengineering prof, do research in brain-computer interfacing, have a spin out company using AI in health monitoring through behaviour analysis - and it’s bloody hard work to get at just the tip of the iceberg!

I’ve had a number of articles in the media, TV - Most notably “James May’s Big Ideas” (see me route through James’ hair as I stick electrodes to his scalp) - you should see the letters and emails I receive from people around the world - crazy ideas about the govt and church will take my “invention” to control the masses - driven by fear, ignorance, religious fervour and mental health issues.

I guess my point is that people give far to much credit to the powers of the dastardly governments who are controlling us etc - the reality is they couldn’t if they tried. And if people just admitted they did not know to form an opinion and trusted in those that genuinely know perhaps we might not be having this conversation?

But then again, wars are stupid, smoking kills you, etc etc and we still do it ... :thumbsdown:

You are in a sound and eminently qualified position to argue the merits - but I fear there will still be those who will still believe otherwise.

I can understand some of the worries of some who are concerned about potential after effects but not any of the control nonsense!

Look at what ignoring advice has done - The USA has been hit particularly badly hit, mainly because of an attitude taken towards this virus.

 

[Z4C_er]

Isn't this convenient:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/unexplained_explosion_and_fire_destroy_worlds_second_largest_pharmaceutical_factory_producing_precursors_for_hydroxychloroquine_.html
What strikes me as being even more peculiar is that not one western news organisation gave a toss. Or were told not to.

 

[Z4C_er]

How convenient part 2:

 

[ronk]

53,000 cases today and the NHS is struggling to cope.
Without the intervention of a vaccine and a good take up I fail to see what the options are - no matter what these alleged experts say.

Perhaps they have some advice to help us through the current situation?

 

[ronk]

This is in addition to the normal winter crisis!
This isn’t going to go away is it?

 

[sars]

This is in addition to the normal winter crisis!
This isn’t going to go away is it?

I read an interview with the CEO of BioNtech who stated COVID-19 will be with us for 10 years

 

[mr wilks]

This is in addition to the normal winter crisis!
This isn’t going to go away is it?

Isn't it just blending with the expected winter crisis :? then once the "CV19" is added to the notes creates the almost mass hysteria we are seeing ?
Death rates aren't exactly bouncing off the scale by comparison to infection rates & only seeing the ONS figures early next year that cover the whole of 2020 will show the true picture .
Generally around 530k die pa in uk ( 540k in 2018 / 530k 2019 ) so if the number doesn't show a significant jump then questions need to be asked .

 

[ronk]

The WHO must be wrong then?
Pandemic? What pandemic?

Listen to what NHS staff at all levels are telling you - they are in crisis. Perhaps they are wrong.

 

[mr wilks]

The WHO must be wrong then?
Pandemic? What pandemic?

I'm not saying there is no pandemic , or that infection rates aren't increasing but death rates have yet to tally up & only a total yearly number compared with previous 10 yrs will show the truth .
EG take yesterdays death rate assigned to CV19 , it was 400 , so worse case scenario lets multiply that by 365 = 146k . are these extra deaths over the "normal" expected numbers ? Will the yearly death rate for 2020 hit 650k/680k ?
Somehow i doubt it .
Let's wait & see , it will be interesting for sure .

 

[TitanTim]

The problem I have with Covid is its unpredictability, on one hand people make light of it and play it down, on the other it can be a nasty thing to catch. so my problem with it is, if I catch it, will I have any symptoms and be fine or will I end up seriously ill and possibly snuffing it? no-one knows. Don't really wish to find out.

You can post all the figures as you like to try and play it down, I'll just be glad the jabs come along asap as the populas clearly aren't sticking to the rules and don't particularly want to, why else are rates shooting up now.

Tim.

 

[john-e89]

Why are people so obsessed with death rates...? Being brutal if you’re dead you’re not taking up a bed and a large number of staff per patient, if I’m correct a rate of 14 staff per covid patient on ventilation vs 2 per patient for flu in any 24hrs.

The NHS is struggling, end of, beds are very scarce and the staff still on their feet are having to make up the shortfall due to their colleagues being off with suspected, or the virus itself. Never mind the stats, on the shop floor it’s as bad as it gets.

 

[Nictrix]

So what happened to the nightingale hospitals?
Were they ever used?
Did they not have the staff to operate them?
Was it all a publicity stunt or another way to give out free cash?
They seem to be getting stripped out now which makes you wonder why if the hospitals are struggling.

 

[Bottom]

From my ICU Consultant son who is doing 12 hr shifts at the moment and will be for some time.

It takes 20 minutes to turn over a patient in ICU with 12 members of staff required.
Prognosis is a bit better if the patient is lying face down but if they're left that way too long they get bed sores on their face... so they need turned over regularly.

The best treatment for patients with serious CV19 is ECMO. There are only limited numbers of machines and they are only available in specialised units. We have 6. They are all in use at the moment.

Treatment with ECMO costs an average of £45000...

 

[Bottom]

The Nightingales were brought in because it was thought that all these CV19 patients would require full time oxygen therapy and be on ventilators. No hospital ICU could cope with the O2 supply alone so the Nightingales were designed to provide it. We've now found that this is not the best treatment for severe Covid so the Nightingales are not required.

 

[john-e89]

Last week- hospital beds at 90% currently in flu season and full covid.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/england-hospital-beds-full-covid-patients-surge-b389611.html

3 years ago 6th of December (no covid) hospitals at 99%
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/07/nhs-bosses-sound-alarm-over-hospital-bed-shortages-patient-safety-concern

Were you petrified 3 years ago about us having no beds? I know I wasn't because I didnt have a clue.

Not trying to play anything down- just trying to find out what the headlines are not telling people.

No doubt people are dieing. But in my opinion there are alot of elderly people who are dying of *"insert illness" and have Covid and then just going in the Covid figures.

Not denying that people are dieing of covid too. They are. But in opinion probably not as much as SAGE and the papers would have you believe.

I’ve said and Bottom has said the amount of staff required for covid vs flu mgarlane....quoting just bed stats is irrelevant.