The jab ..
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Z4C_er said:
Unless the virus has no where to go it will mutate - that is why we should all play our part by getting a jab and thus minimising the potential host population.
Fortunately the boffins currently seem to have a good grasp of the code (from what Ive read) and it looks like they can tweak subsequent iterations of the vaccine - but unless people play their part they task will become more and more difficult over the years.
You should remember that you're not going to be young forever!
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Z4C_er said:Wow, that means the survival rate could go from 99.9% to 99.8%mgrlane said:Pbondar said:
"possibly more serious in young adults"
Great journalism that
So you would fly on a plane on your holidays with 2 out of 100 holiday makers dying on that trip?
Plus of course around a further 5 seriously injured aka long COVID?
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Pbondar said:Z4C_er said:Wow, that means the survival rate could go from 99.9% to 99.8%mgrlane said:"possibly more serious in young adults"
Great journalism that
So you would fly on a plane on your holidays with 2 out of 100 holiday makers dying on that trip?
Plus of course around a further 5 seriously injured aka long COVID?
Serious question.
Can you tell me what long Covid is?
And does it effect 5% of people who have covid? Or have you plucked that figure?
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Z4C_er said:
You need to use a different analogy to understand this..
It’s not a static situation, it has dynamics...there will have to be multiple iterations over time of the vaccine just like it is for flu..
Since there will be several variations of the critter they will compound up the vaccines over time to cover the most likely versions, again just like the flu..it’s not just one vaccine in most cases..
As soon as you stop tracking and counter attacking the virus it will come back in a new form that may be ‘better’ or ‘worse’..
What’s your plan to solve the problem ?
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mgrlane said:
I’m not qualified to do so but maybe the World Health Organisation is... https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-36-long-term-symptoms.pdf?sfvrsn=5d3789a6_2#:~:text=•%20Most%20people%20with%20COVID,have%20lasting%20health%20effects.
ronk said:
OK, I can give you my personal reasons. Disregarding all that I have read and seen which some would consider "claptrap".
Simply put, I won't get the Covid vaccination because, I don't trust the companies, people and governments who are pushing it.
Fair enough ?
You need to reconsider your numbers. That's 1 to 2 per 1000 people who may catch it could die.Pbondar said:Z4C_er said:Wow, that means the survival rate could go from 99.9% to 99.8%mgrlane said:"possibly more serious in young adults"
Great journalism that
So you would fly on a plane on your holidays with 2 out of 100 holiday makers dying on that trip?
Plus of course around a further 5 seriously injured aka long COVID?
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ronk said:
I have heard of it but there doesn't seem to be a "definition" there are multiple symptoms in multiple time frames. It's like the unfortunate get covid then an other illness after.
I simply cannot believe some of the arguments put forward against the vaccine - reprogramming DNA, AI tracking etc etc? It’s simply ridiculous - the reality is even the top governments in the world don’t have near the know how or technology to do these dastardly deed - even if they wanted to. I’m a bioengineering prof, do research in brain-computer interfacing, have a spin out company using AI in health monitoring through behaviour analysis - and it’s bloody hard work to get at just the tip of the iceberg!
I’ve had a number of articles in the media, TV - Most notably “James May’s Big Ideas” (see me route through James’ hair as I stick electrodes to his scalp) - you should see the letters and emails I receive from people around the world - crazy ideas about the govt and church will take my “invention” to control the masses - driven by fear, ignorance, religious fervour and mental health issues.
I guess my point is that people give far to much credit to the powers of the dastardly governments who are controlling us etc - the reality is they couldn’t if they tried. And if people just admitted they did not know to form an opinion and trusted in those that genuinely know perhaps we might not be having this conversation?
But then again, wars are stupid, smoking kills you, etc etc and we still do it ... :thumbsdown:
I’ve had a number of articles in the media, TV - Most notably “James May’s Big Ideas” (see me route through James’ hair as I stick electrodes to his scalp) - you should see the letters and emails I receive from people around the world - crazy ideas about the govt and church will take my “invention” to control the masses - driven by fear, ignorance, religious fervour and mental health issues.
I guess my point is that people give far to much credit to the powers of the dastardly governments who are controlling us etc - the reality is they couldn’t if they tried. And if people just admitted they did not know to form an opinion and trusted in those that genuinely know perhaps we might not be having this conversation?
But then again, wars are stupid, smoking kills you, etc etc and we still do it ... :thumbsdown:
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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
Some good data to look at here. Please remember that these results are people who tested positive but could have died of something else and could have died directly from Covid.
Yes young people die of it (just like they die of everything else) but the figures are so highly skewed in our favour Vs the old our chances of survival are excellent.
Keep in mind that mean figure of 99.97% (give or take .5% depending on who's figures you go off) includes all age ranges so for the under 60 (or under 40 in my case) it's a massively higher number (even greater if you add in the lack of medical conditions) - I think I quoted 33 people without pre existing medical conditions under 40 had died in the UK a couple of pages back.
So you can bang on about how selfish I am for not taking the jab because I can spread it (no medical evidence to suggest that even if I had the jab I wouldn't also spread it).
You can say that I am stupid for not taking it (I think I have covered how unlucky I would be to suffer from it statistically above)
You can say I am an anti-vaxxer (clearly not I am trying to convince my mother to take it).
You can say that not having the vaccine means that life can not go back to normal quicker (under 16's are not being given the Vaccine and are spreading it across schools every day and developing immunity). I am happy to eventually catch it at some point and develope my own immunity also.
Simply saying that people have the right to decided what they put in their own bodies and the decision should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
The only thing I can't really justify is that if I get it would be the potential hospital time I would take up should I catch it and be seriously ill. I don't know the figures on this but I imagine that they are very small. But if you are prepared to treat smokers and obese people on the NHS (people who knowingly put themselves at risk) then all I can ask is you find it in your heart to allow me should this happen.
I think I have covered all the objections above but I look forward to hearing more about why I am wrong and a bad person for wanting people to have the choice of what they put in their bodies.
And this is what we are left to deal with in the aftermath:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-coronavirus-uk-economy-impact-timeline-050045995.html
Some good data to look at here. Please remember that these results are people who tested positive but could have died of something else and could have died directly from Covid.
Yes young people die of it (just like they die of everything else) but the figures are so highly skewed in our favour Vs the old our chances of survival are excellent.
Keep in mind that mean figure of 99.97% (give or take .5% depending on who's figures you go off) includes all age ranges so for the under 60 (or under 40 in my case) it's a massively higher number (even greater if you add in the lack of medical conditions) - I think I quoted 33 people without pre existing medical conditions under 40 had died in the UK a couple of pages back.
So you can bang on about how selfish I am for not taking the jab because I can spread it (no medical evidence to suggest that even if I had the jab I wouldn't also spread it).
You can say that I am stupid for not taking it (I think I have covered how unlucky I would be to suffer from it statistically above)
You can say I am an anti-vaxxer (clearly not I am trying to convince my mother to take it).
You can say that not having the vaccine means that life can not go back to normal quicker (under 16's are not being given the Vaccine and are spreading it across schools every day and developing immunity). I am happy to eventually catch it at some point and develope my own immunity also.
Simply saying that people have the right to decided what they put in their own bodies and the decision should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
The only thing I can't really justify is that if I get it would be the potential hospital time I would take up should I catch it and be seriously ill. I don't know the figures on this but I imagine that they are very small. But if you are prepared to treat smokers and obese people on the NHS (people who knowingly put themselves at risk) then all I can ask is you find it in your heart to allow me should this happen.
I think I have covered all the objections above but I look forward to hearing more about why I am wrong and a bad person for wanting people to have the choice of what they put in their bodies.
And this is what we are left to deal with in the aftermath:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-coronavirus-uk-economy-impact-timeline-050045995.html
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With you all the way.mgrlane said:https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
Some good data to look at here. Please remember that these results are people who tested positive but could have died of something else and could have died directly from Covid.
Yes young people die of it (just like they die of everything else) but the figures are so highly skewed in our favour Vs the old our chances of survival are excellent.
Keep in mind that mean figure of 99.97% (give or take .5% depending on who's figures you go off) includes all age ranges so for the under 60 (or under 40 in my case) it's a massively higher number (even greater if you add in the lack of medical conditions) - I think I quoted 33 people without pre existing medical conditions under 40 had died in the UK a couple of pages back.
So you can bang on about how selfish I am for not taking the jab because I can spread it (no medical evidence to suggest that even if I had the jab I wouldn't also spread it).
You can say that I am stupid for not taking it (I think I have covered how unlucky I would be to suffer from it statistically above)
You can say I am an anti-vaxxer (clearly not I am trying to convince my mother to take it).
You can say that not having the vaccine means that life can not go back to normal quicker (under 16's are not being given the Vaccine and are spreading it across schools every day and developing immunity). I am happy to eventually catch it at some point and develope my own immunity also.
Simply saying that people have the right to decided what they put in their own bodies and the decision should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
The only thing I can't really justify is that if I get it would be the potential hospital time I would take up should I catch it and be seriously ill. I don't know the figures on this but I imagine that they are very small. But if you are prepared to treat smokers and obese people on the NHS (people who knowingly put themselves at risk) then all I can ask is you find it in your heart to allow me should this happen.
I think I have covered all the objections above but I look forward to hearing more about why I am wrong and a bad person for wanting people to have the choice of what they put in their bodies.
And this is what we are left to deal with in the aftermath:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-coronavirus-uk-economy-impact-timeline-050045995.html
And what is clear, and what is imbalanced is how everyone is being dragged into this when it is/has been quite selective in who it hits the hardest. I've said for a while, protect the elderly, the vulnerable, even the morbidly obese, but let the rest of us crack on! It's the young people that will be suffering with this for decades as we pay off this crippling debt.
Z4C_er said:
Whilst you're "cracking on" you'll be letting the virus freely transmit amongst the population as a WHOLE until we have "herd immunity", either by the virus running its natural course through the entire population, or, from a mass vaccination programme. A mass vaccination programme will be the swiftest means of achieving herd immunity, with the least number of victims (deaths and seriously ill) and will reduce the financial burden on the Economy.
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Z4C_er said:
This is my covid fear.
But on the other hand I do realise there is genuine fear out there for the older generation and for some people in mine too.
There was a two-three week period the tail end of March where I was in genuine fear for what had happened, I had seen China, Italy and the fear that MSM has whipped up. If people are still in the "mode" since March then I can only be sympathetic- it's a terrible place to be.
If you get all your news from most of the papers, BBC, good morning etc then you are digesting facts distortion in the highest order "if it bleeds it leads" type journalism.
People need to do their own research into it. Get off the beaten track(mainstream media) although I hate the Dailymail I will nod to them for their recent coverage (who would have thought some voice of reason coming from them).