The jab ..

[Deleted member 32480]

Just wondering- by any chance do you know if the testing has gone up too in your area? Both seem to go hand in hand.

I don't know. The email from the Borough Council doesn't specify! And it doesn't specify the age group most affected so it could be school-children, in which case the risk factor for old gits like me may not be much worse than it was 2 weeks ago so long as they don't get dragged round Tescos by their parents!

That seems to be part of the problem but I can understand why there isn't that level of detail, given that it is an unprecented event.

It's super frustrating. I just wish there were more transparency with everything.

Lay the figures out their and give the full explanation into their decisions. The problems that they are having is with the younger generations now is we have has our businesses and lives destroyed and with every "perceived" dodgy decision we are taking less notice of them and the belief is diminishing.

God knows what University students think of it- if I took myself back 15 years I would imagine that none of me and my mates would have gone home but 100% we would not be stuck in our accommodation locked down and not seeing any of our friends.

I live on the outskirts of Leeds (tier 3) next village is north Yorkshire (tier 2). I have my own business where I work from home and my family are in Norfolk who I have seen once this year (tier 2). It frustrates the hell out of me that I am included in with Leeds city centre and in the governments eyes at such a high risk when the realities are that me or the Mrs travel to zone two once a week to do the shopping and that's all our interactions. There is no way legally that I could see my family this year (her parents and her brother are in our "bubble" for Xmas).

So when they say their are doing it for the NHS' and then you see a report in the Mail that says only 3 hospitals are busier than they were last year (this report was about a month a go and most are nearly full this time of year anyway) then everything the government say and do you really do look at it with a raised eyebrow.

That being said we all do realise there is a risk with covid and I would hate to give any of my elderly relatives this. The person I feel most sorry for is my 95 year old gran (fit as a fiddle mentally and physically) who doesn't get to see her family properly for the last year as everyone is s**t scared of being the "one that killed nan".

I really hope that vaccinating the at risk will solve all our issues come the summer but I suspect the goal posts will have moved by that point. But here is to hope

 

[Flyingfifer]

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[sars]

^^^^^^^^ That didn’t come out the way intended....I meant mgrlane is basically nothing to do with the jab being under 50 and healthy as he says, not that he has no right to comment on the thread.

This is how wars start..... :roll:

Gunna kick ya ass at playtime

Anyway I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion, though let me clarify, everyone has an opinion and everyone should be free to state their opinion and comment, let’s just not vilify someone for having a different one to yours. Facts with suitable references though are not opinions, it’s a shame that some don’t check or understand the former before spouting the latter

and I didn’t find anything objectionable with what mgrlane has posted, it seemed reasonable, I don’t agree with some of it, I think it’s clear to me that COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu and that the death rate would have been significantly higher if it were not for the restrictions in place since March.

 

[Nanu]

Just wondering- by any chance do you know if the testing has gone up too in your area? Both seem to go hand in hand.

I don't know. The email from the Borough Council doesn't specify! And it doesn't specify the age group most affected so it could be school-children, in which case the risk factor for old gits like me may not be much worse than it was 2 weeks ago so long as they don't get dragged round Tescos by their parents!

That seems to be part of the problem but I can understand why there isn't that level of detail, given that it is an unprecented event.

Personally, can't see the point in testing. Controversial I know but these flow tests don't appear to be accurate and even if you get a negative, you could catch it on the way home from the test centre and still believe you are negative. That could be dangerous. Can't even trust the positives. Neighbours of mine had no symptoms but because of their jobs they got tested, one positive and one negative so both locked down. They went for another test a week or so later and had the opposite result. A week later the test results were reversed again?? Over 3 weeks in lockdown and they are still not sure if either actually had it.

 

[ronk]

I see a jab being the only way out. Throw all the numbers at the virus - but it will win. It seems to have mutated into a more infectious form now so the rules may have been re written.

 

[Z4C_er]

I see a jab being the only way out. Throw all the numbers at the virus - but it will win. It seems to have mutated into a more infectious form now so the rules may have been re written.

I'm dumb. If there is a new strain of Covid coming out (let's call it Covid-21), how will the jab for Covid-19 help you? Please explain.

 

[pvr]

I see a jab being the only way out. Throw all the numbers at the virus - but it will win. It seems to have mutated into a more infectious form now so the rules may have been re written.

I'm dumb. If there is a new strain of Covid coming out (let's call it Covid-21), how will the jab for Covid-19 help you? Please explain.

Bit like a z4 coupe and a z4 roadster. Different strains but have the same engine.

So has the virus, same virus, same vaccine just a different strain

 

[ronk]

I see a jab being the only way out. Throw all the numbers at the virus - but it will win. It seems to have mutated into a more infectious form now so the rules may have been re written.

I'm dumb. If there is a new strain of Covid coming out (let's call it Covid-21), how will the jab for Covid-19 help you? Please explain.

The explanation was given by the experts with boris this evening as - the virus has developed into being more easily transmitted. You aren't being dumb!
I detect you are a vaccine cynic?

 

[Z4C_er]

I was looking for something else when I found this. Funny :?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7261-pandemic-causing-asian-flu-accidentally-released/

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I see a jab being the only way out. Throw all the numbers at the virus - but it will win. It seems to have mutated into a more infectious form now so the rules may have been re written.

I'm dumb. If there is a new strain of Covid coming out (let's call it Covid-21), how will the jab for Covid-19 help you? Please explain.

Bit like a z4 coupe and a z4 roadster. Different strains but have the same engine.

So has the virus, same virus, same vaccine just a different strain

I hope they don't release an m variant

 

[Z4C_er]

I see a jab being the only way out. Throw all the numbers at the virus - but it will win. It seems to have mutated into a more infectious form now so the rules may have been re written.

I'm dumb. If there is a new strain of Covid coming out (let's call it Covid-21), how will the jab for Covid-19 help you? Please explain.

The explanation was given by the experts with boris this evening as - the virus has developed into being more easily transmitted. You aren't being dumb!
I detect you are a vaccine cynic?

I recall - I think in the last decade - when the wrong vaccine was handed out for the flu'. Generally, they have to make an educated guess which one will hit, but in this particular year, they got it wrong. Never mind, they jabbed everyone anyway, and then later it was mentioned it was basically worthless. So, that's where I'm coming from.
I'll keep looking.

 

[ronk]

From what the boffins are saying - the vaccine against C19 isn’t the more conventional type.

 

[Z4C_er]

This is what I was thinking of:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5235473/The-flu-jab-DOESNT-work-officials-admit.html
And for those who will discount anything the Daily Mail says, just because its the Daily Mail, I'll keep looking.
Edit:
Hah, wow, 15% efficacy....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/flu-vaccine-effectiveness-in-2017-to-2018-season

 

[Z4C_er]

I detect you are a vaccine cynic?

This most terrible virus. We've heard so much about it. I read earlier in the year that many doctors were stumped, as it can present itself in so many different ways; in some it can be a simple cough, or loss of taste, or right up to meningitis, and of course, death.
So, a vaccine gets rushed through - and remember it must be able to counter all these issues - but the company that supplies it won't back it. It's completely washed it's hands of it. What kind of confidence does that give you? If I sold you a one-off car that I rushed to make, but gave you no paperwork, no guarantee, no insurance, no comeback and you basically knew that when you drove away the brake lines could come off or it could fail in some other way, would you take it?
You, as a taxpayer have paid for this vaccine. You've lined the pockets of Pfizer et al, and they walk away with no conscience. No responsibility. Even the enclosed leaflet says they don't know how it will affect fertility!

 

[Mr Tidy]

But let's be fair there hasn't really been time to gather data on those issues.

Plenty of manufacturers have sold cars with potentially fatal defects that have required recalls years later. My E46 had two for air-bags when it was over 10 years old. My E91 and E90 were in their teens before they were recalled for potential issues with the heater fan resistor that could cause them to catch fire. Vauxhall Zafiras were prone to igniting as well, and I'm sure there are loads more examples.

I'd still take my chances with the vaccine and have it if offered - nothing in life is ever guaranteed. And seeing as I'm male and over 60 I may be in a higher risk group anyway, but I won't be getting pregnant, breast-feeding or concerned about fertility!

That's just my personal take on it, but at the end of the day I understand others will seee things differently.

 

[ronk]

Im with Mr Tidy !
Yes there are risks but the rewards far out weigh the risks for my age group.

 

[Crazy Harry]

and I didn’t find anything objectionable with what mgrlane has posted, it seemed reasonable, I don’t agree with some of it, I think it’s clear to me that COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu and that the death rate would have been significantly higher if it were not for the restrictions in place since March.

This ^ It's not a level playing field for comparisons - the flu figures would be so much lower if we had a huge hand washing and social distancing campaign every year and locked down anyone who might get it or might pass it on.

 

[pvr]

Don’t know about you but I haven’t had a cold all year since not getting on trains and so.

 

[Crazy Harry]

Don’t know about you but I haven’t had a cold all year since not getting on trains and so.

Yep - I think that's the point. We're comparing the flu figures with no precautions (apart from those who in previous years chose to have the flu vaccine) with the Covid 19 figures (full on 22 carat pandemic precautions since March) and saying well there's not much difference; don't think we need to bother too much about it.

 

[exdos]

I'm dumb. If there is a new strain of Covid coming out (let's call it Covid-21), how will the jab for Covid-19 help you? Please explain.

An analogy: there are hundreds of different breeds of dogs, most of which look different to each other so that we can visually identify the breed of any individual dog. Despite such considerable visual differences ALL dogs share almost all the same DNA which makes them physiologically function as dogs. Provided the present vaccines for C-19 have been designed to recognise an essential feature of any type of C-19 (i.e. dog) and possible mutant variants (i.e. breeds) then the vaccine would work.