That 3.2 straight six !

Beedub said:
my neighbour offered me really solid money a real offer, but i just couldn't do it.... it will be a hard one to let go of, forget the mods, the car itself in its condition is imo irreplaceable in todays market.
Byron,

There are lots of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing, and what you've created represents you and all your dreams and raison d'etre. Your involvement with your car must have also helped to get you through a really difficult phase and must surely be worth more to you than anyone else could ever pay to take it off your hands? My Z3MC has done the same for me and is one of the few possessions that I will never sell because of what it represents to me. When you think about it, modding is expensive motoring but very cheap medicine. I'd rather see my Z3MC rot away in my garage than sell it for the positivity that it gives me every time I look at it. If you sell you fantastic Z4MR you'd live to regret it. Just think how fantastic it will look in years to come, even if there's no more petrol left to make it run. 8)
 
holy f**k!! that vid....
i thought it was gonna hop off the roller :o :o
have you done anything to the clutch/gearbox to cope with the power? i think i basically need to come up for an entire day and just point and ask questions...unfortunately for me im currently scraping money together for its inspection 2 :oops:
ha u arent even joking about the carbon doors....
SURELY having 900 hp on a rear wheel drive car is just stupid? maybe a gtr/lambo could cope...but surely not a zed?
 
exdos said:
Beedub said:
my neighbour offered me really solid money a real offer, but i just couldn't do it.... it will be a hard one to let go of, forget the mods, the car itself in its condition is imo irreplaceable in todays market.
Byron,

There are lots of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing, and what you've created represents you and all your dreams and raison d'etre. Your involvement with your car must have also helped to get you through a really difficult phase and must surely be worth more to you than anyone else could ever pay to take it off your hands? My Z3MC has done the same for me and is one of the few possessions that I will never sell because of what it represents to me. When you think about it, modding is expensive motoring but very cheap medicine. I'd rather see my Z3MC rot away in my garage than sell it for the positivity that it gives me every time I look at it. If you sell you fantastic Z4MR you'd live to regret it. Just think how fantastic it will look in years to come, even if there's no more petrol left to make it run. 8)


^^^^^^^ arhhhhh the refreshing voice on understanding.

Nail

Hit

On

Head.

emotional connection, i poured time, effort, and well..... everything to keep my mind occupied at a very rough time..... its my Eleanor and in relaity, i will keep on building it, until im bankrupt!!! lol!!!

on a side note john...... i was thinking about having a go at doing the shims myself, i took the cam cover off and crapped myself, so i decided to leave it be... i doesn't look too difficult tho.... I was happy to see the new style vanos bolts in their however, have you got the old style vanos bolts or the new ones?? your car is very young and low miles so its worth taking a peak imo.

What do you think about evolves air box?? wonderful isnt it??
 
Woots said:
holy f**k!! that vid....
i thought it was gonna hop off the roller :o :o
have you done anything to the clutch/gearbox to cope with the power? i think i basically need to come up for an entire day and just point and ask questions...unfortunately for me im currently scraping money together for its inspection 2 :oops:
ha u arent even joking about the carbon doors....
SURELY having 900 hp on a rear wheel drive car is just stupid? maybe a gtr/lambo could cope...but surely not a zed?

no gearbox mods, still stock clutch but i have a HPF feramic 1000Hp rated unit ready to go in.... the stock one will not last long at all, to be honest im surprised its lasted this long!!!! Wanted to see how long the stock clutch would last, evidently, the clutch is very strong, i give it huge sympathy however and try not abuse the clutch in anyway, on stock z4m i reckon used properly the stock clutch will last a long, long time.
 
Beedub said:
^^^^^^^ arhhhhh the refreshing voice on understanding.

Nail

Hit

On

Head.

emotional connection, i poured time, effort, and well..... everything to keep my mind occupied at a very rough time..... its my Eleanor and in relaity, i will keep on building it, until im bankrupt!!! lol!!!

I understand absolutely.

There's a point at which engineering and art meet. I think you're there.

Beedub said:
on a side note john...... i was thinking about having a go at doing the shims myself, i took the cam cover off and crapped myself, so i decided to leave it be... i doesn't look too difficult tho.... I was happy to see the new style vanos bolts in their however, have you got the old style vanos bolts or the new ones?? your car is very young and low miles so its worth taking a peak imo.

I'm sure you're capable of doing the job if necessary. I doubt if your's needs doing though at your mileage. I've got a new engine (5k miles) in the Z3MC and only 26k miles on the Z4MC so would be surprised if either have anything wrong with their internals and Vanos.


Beedub said:
What do you think about evolves air box?? wonderful isnt it??

It is absolutely beautiful! The finish looks like the work of an artist/engineer.

Having said that, I'd never buy one because for the performance gain you get, they represent poor value for money. As you know, I'm extremely interested in air-intakes and I know that there are other ways to get similar performance increases very easily. I've spent a LOT of time researching patents to see if what I've discovered is unique or whether I'm reinventing the wheel, albeit a forgotten wheel. I'd love to expose my ideas, but if I do, then I wouldn't be able to patent what I presently think is my invention if I disclose the idea.
 
That vid is insane...

No way would I be the guy stood next to it lol!!!

Surely those huge lunges aren't healthy changing gear!
 
mmm-five said:
The only thing the S54 in the Z4 needs is a bit more noise, either from the intake, exhaust, or both :thumbsup:

There must be some intake/exhaust noise pumped into the cabin as mine was quieter externally than internally and it always seemed pointless to floor it in tunnels - not anymore though, now it's windows down every tunnel/underpass I drive through 8)
This is why I went with the roadster, my bro in law had a E46 M3 & I couldn't believe how quiet it was so I thought at least with the roof down I would be able to hear it a little, the CSL sound would be nice though :)
 
Dyno fcuk up video, worth a watch...!

http://youtu.be/vqxbb0f45w8

tomscott said:
That vid is insane...

No way would I be the guy stood next to it lol!!!

Surely those huge lunges aren't healthy changing gear!
 
Woody said:
Dyno fcuk up video, worth a watch...!

http://youtu.be/vqxbb0f45w8
Wow that is a eye opening vid! Dont think I will bother sticking my motor on a dyno anytime soon!
 
LeeZ4MR said:
Woody said:
Dyno fcuk up video, worth a watch...!

http://youtu.be/vqxbb0f45w8
Wow that is a eye opening vid! Dont think I will bother sticking my motor on a dyno anytime soon!

whenever my car has gone on the dyno i wince..... luckily Simpson and people like evolve know what they are doing!!!
 
I'll post a thread on my intake mods, but it is possible to get more noise from the intake, and more power whilst keeping the integrity of the stock cold-air system

Having experimented a bit in the last few weeks I'm surprised none of the aftermarket parts manufacturers have done it to be honest. I have got amazing results just my using lighter, thinner materials (carbon fibre) and a couple of very small changes to the internals.

I really need to get hold of a stock plenum to butcher so i can finish it off, so if anyone knows where i can get one cheap i would be eternally grateful
 
pilchardthecat said:
I'll post a thread on my intake mods, but it is possible to get more noise from the intake, and more power whilst keeping the integrity of the stock cold-air system

Having experimented a bit in the last few weeks I'm surprised none of the aftermarket parts manufacturers have done it to be honest. I have got amazing results just my using lighter, thinner materials (carbon fibre) and a couple of very small changes to the internals.

I really need to get hold of a stock plenum to butcher so i can finish it off, so if anyone knows where i can get one cheap i would be eternally grateful

I'm sure that if someone remade all the Z4M's OEM air intake in Carbon fibre, you would get a wonderful sound from it because it is much stiffer and sonorous than the ABS plastic used for the OEM intake. The starting point would be Part 11 in the diagram below, which would effectively be a CF trumpet. However, can you imagine the cost of replicating an OEM air-filter box in CF if GruppeM charge ± £800 for a simple CF cone and the CSL intake is £3k? The market size is just too small for manufacturers to go into production for the Z4M on anything which would be costly. Otherwise it would be a great project for someone who enjoys messing with CF as a hobby, but unless you actually know how to slightly modify the OEM system to get performance gains, what's the point? Personally, I'm only bothered with performance gains and to get real gains from the intake you need to work on the exhaust first, because you can't get more air into the engine unless you can get the extra air out at the same rate.

I bet you could produce an interesting sound by experimenting with part 12 in the diagram. It might be possible to get it to "flutter" in some way so it acts like a reed. Likewise, if you were to make part 11 in aluminium, so that it is stiffer, you could then cut a window, and insert a very thin piece of plastic or CF so that part 11 acts like a Kazoo. Just a bit of lateral thinking...

How are you measuring your power gains?

Plenums appear on ebay from time to time and they usually sell for over £100. There's one for sale at £73 but it's in the US see here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E46-M...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43af33759a


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I'm not convinced that the exhaust is the most restrictive part of the system. Have you tested your modifications with/without the stock exhaust? I do have a second pair of stock back boxes which i am currently butchering. I haven't touched part 11 yet, just 1 and 12.

I haven't measured my power gains, since my goal is noise without impacting power negatively, and i have done that bit pretty well. My car sounds better than the Simota intake, especially between 2k and 5k rpm.
I have done some analysis of pressure drops between various parts of the system, which revealed some interesting results which really surprised me. There is absolutely no point buying aftermarket filters, for example, unless you are going to remove other restrictions elsewhere in the intake.

I have made a nice carbon fibre composite ram-air scoop, amongst other things, the scoop cost me about £20 in materials and a couple of hours work (it only took that long because i'd never made anything from cf before).
 
mmm-five said:
The only thing the S54 in the Z4 needs is a bit more noise, either from the intake, exhaust, or both :thumbsup:

+1 - the only thing i wish could be improved a little. What options are there?
 
jimmybell said:
mmm-five said:
The only thing the S54 in the Z4 needs is a bit more noise, either from the intake, exhaust, or both :thumbsup:

+1 - the only thing i wish could be improved a little. What options are there?
There are already a few options for the exhaust system, with prices ranging from £500 to £5000, for everything from silencers to complete systems:
  • Rogue
  • Supersprint
  • Remus
  • Eisenmann
  • Akropovic

There's also a few options for intakes, again with priced from about £200 upwards (and thousands if you decide to go the CSL/Alpha-N route):
  • Gruppe M
  • Simota
  • AFE
  • CSL
 
pilchardthecat said:
I'm not convinced that the exhaust is the most restrictive part of the system. Have you tested your modifications with/without the stock exhaust? I do have a second pair of stock back boxes which i am currently butchering. I haven't touched part 11 yet, just 1 and 12.

I haven't measured my power gains, since my goal is noise without impacting power negatively, and i have done that bit pretty well. My car sounds better than the Simota intake, especially between 2k and 5k rpm.
I have done some analysis of pressure drops between various parts of the system, which revealed some interesting results which really surprised me. There is absolutely no point buying aftermarket filters, for example, unless you are going to remove other restrictions elsewhere in the intake.

I have made a nice carbon fibre composite ram-air scoop, amongst other things, the scoop cost me about £20 in materials and a couple of hours work (it only took that long because i'd never made anything from cf before).

You've obviously become as interested in this subject as I am, but be warned: it becomes addictive!

No doubt you've read a fair bit about air-intakes from the Autospeed website as here:http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Eliminating-Negative-Boost-Part-1/A_0629/article.html There's some good information on that website but it's gone off at a tangent in the last 3 years.

The S54 engine is reported amongst the engineering community as delivering a Volumetric Efficiency (VE) of 106%, and that will be with an OEM air-intake. Therefore, if a normally aspirated engine can produce more than 100% VE, the air intake system just cannot be restrictive, otherwise it would produce less than 100% VE. So, as I see it, there is no problem of restriction on the intake side of the engine in the Z4M. Having said that, the OEM air-intake can be improved upon, but only by making relatively minor tweaks and not from a total redesign or replacement with aftermarket stuff.

The Honda S2000 engine (NA) achieves a VE of 115% and both the S54 and the Honda 2000 get these high VE figures from variable valve timing methods (Vanos and VTec) but also from their air-intake systems which use both ram-effect and wave resonance to assist cylinder filling. My hunch is that part of the explanation of the superior VE achieved by the Honda is due to it's superior air intake system to the BMW one.

Yes, I have tested my intake mods with both an OEM and modded set of silencers and I get a higher VE with the air-intake mod and modded silencers on the car. I absolutely rely on my DashDyno datalogging recordings to point me in the right direction. In 1st gear, the S54 can only produce a VE of around 90%, but as the speed increases and you use higher gears the VE increases, which proves that the higher VE is created by the ram effect and an excellent air-intake system. When I tested the VE of my Z4MC when I bought it, the VE was 102%, after fitting modded silencers it remained at 102%, when I modded the air intake the VE went to 105.5%. I've presently refitted the OEM silencers so that I can do more work on the modded silencers and my VE has returned to 102%.

I have been through this entire process before with my S54 Z3MC and with that car I have now managed to achieve a VE of over 110%. from a combination of air intake and exhaust mods. I'm presently working on trying to obtain some more VE% on the Z4MC. I simply don't concern myself trying to make the car sound any noisier, but as the VE increases the car does roar more and gutted silencers are louder than OEM, so I take the noise as a by-product rather than a goal.

You say that you haven't impacted on your power negatively, but how do you know for sure? I can't feel the difference between 102% and 105.5% VE either way, which translates into an increase in torque at the wheels of 4.8% but I certainly can see and feel the difference of running my Z3MC with another Z3MC whilst I'm getting 110% VE. Here's a link to a vid of me chasing another Z3MC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICLoOSJEkpY
 
I know i haven't harmed the VE because all but 2 of my modifications are simply replacing OEM materials with lighter thinner ones to let more noise out. The other two mods are the intake scoop and a modification that reduces the pressure drop between the scoop and the maf by a significant amount, but which based on what you are saying probably wont have a positive effect until i fit modified/aftermarket exhausts. It does help with the noise though.

And as i said it's noise-with-no- downsides i'm after, my car is plenty fast enough for a daily commuter / work horse which is it's primary function. I am modifying some back boxes, but thats for the noise too really
 
mmm-five said:
jimmybell said:
mmm-five said:
The only thing the S54 in the Z4 needs is a bit more noise, either from the intake, exhaust, or both :thumbsup:

+1 - the only thing i wish could be improved a little. What options are there?
There are already a few options for the exhaust system, with prices ranging from £500 to £5000, for everything from silencers to complete systems:
  • Rogue
  • Supersprint
  • Remus
  • Eisenmann
  • Akropovic

There's also a few options for intakes, again with priced from about £200 upwards (and thousands if you decide to go the CSL/Alpha-N route):
  • Gruppe M
  • Simota
  • AFE
  • CSL

Wait a sec..theres an AKRAPOVIC exhaust for the Z4M? :| where can i buy it?
 
ibix said:
Wait a sec..theres an AKRAPOVIC exhaust for the Z4M? :| where can i buy it?
Not a full system unfortunately, just some tips or x-pipe I think!
 
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