Tearful in London (Tier 4 in London)
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Alex de Piffle Pritstick Waffle has shown that he does NOT listen to advisers, other than the Comic Dummings type. He is at heart a liar and a bluffer, out for no-one but himself and his chums. He will carry on looting the country.
Attleborough, Norfolk
What astounds me is the people just across the border from a higher tier area who carry on like nothing is happening to them.
They are the new 'front line' effectively. If they had an ounce of common sense they would be starting to self-impose at least some of the more stringent restrictions their higher-tiered neighbours are under.
Everyone moans that the government is reacting too slowly, or the wrong way etc, but they are happy to stick rigidly to the minimum level of the rules pertaining to them, with no thought of how they could actually help by being a bit pro-active. Then, lo and behold, they get moved up a tier and get all arsey about it.
Sorry, just realised I used the term 'common sense' in the first paragraph. Should have remembered that was the first casualty of covid, closely followed by IQ. :roll:
They are the new 'front line' effectively. If they had an ounce of common sense they would be starting to self-impose at least some of the more stringent restrictions their higher-tiered neighbours are under.
Everyone moans that the government is reacting too slowly, or the wrong way etc, but they are happy to stick rigidly to the minimum level of the rules pertaining to them, with no thought of how they could actually help by being a bit pro-active. Then, lo and behold, they get moved up a tier and get all arsey about it.
Sorry, just realised I used the term 'common sense' in the first paragraph. Should have remembered that was the first casualty of covid, closely followed by IQ. :roll:
I have had a few experiences of Covid.
I lost my job in July and have had to take an unskilled job on about 30% of my previous salary but at least I am able to pay the bills and keep a roof over my head.
I have lost one family member to this dreadful disease and my father has contracted it as well but has thankfully come through this unscathed.
Local hospitals in my area is under severe pressure due to Covid, but I see loads of people wearing green lanyards when out shopping to say they are exempt from wearing a mask - how many of these are fake and just purchased off e-bay? If you can't wear a mask then get a clear visor and start being sensible.
My father is back and fore local hospitals and there are security guards on every entrance, they ensure you are wearing a mask and sanitise before you go in, every treatment area you are questioned, temp taken and again mask on and sanitise, no one is gossiping and everyone is wearing PPE where required.
Xmas is going to be different but there are people far worse off, living in the streets, have lost loved ones etc.
Regards the Governments handling of this, it is a no win situation whatever they do, all I can say is that I am thankful we do not have the previous labour lot in charge and Starmer needs to stop criticising and start giving some sensible solutions and Boris may need to start listening as well.
We have the devolved leaders making different rules, England 4 tiers, Scotland 5 and Wales 4 - why can we not work as a single nation to defeat this disease - oh yes it is all political.
We should in terms of national crisis have one Government which should be the UK with devolved / Labour leaders included to come up with one plan to move forward as a single nation.
I lost my job in July and have had to take an unskilled job on about 30% of my previous salary but at least I am able to pay the bills and keep a roof over my head.
I have lost one family member to this dreadful disease and my father has contracted it as well but has thankfully come through this unscathed.
Local hospitals in my area is under severe pressure due to Covid, but I see loads of people wearing green lanyards when out shopping to say they are exempt from wearing a mask - how many of these are fake and just purchased off e-bay? If you can't wear a mask then get a clear visor and start being sensible.
My father is back and fore local hospitals and there are security guards on every entrance, they ensure you are wearing a mask and sanitise before you go in, every treatment area you are questioned, temp taken and again mask on and sanitise, no one is gossiping and everyone is wearing PPE where required.
Xmas is going to be different but there are people far worse off, living in the streets, have lost loved ones etc.
Regards the Governments handling of this, it is a no win situation whatever they do, all I can say is that I am thankful we do not have the previous labour lot in charge and Starmer needs to stop criticising and start giving some sensible solutions and Boris may need to start listening as well.
We have the devolved leaders making different rules, England 4 tiers, Scotland 5 and Wales 4 - why can we not work as a single nation to defeat this disease - oh yes it is all political.
We should in terms of national crisis have one Government which should be the UK with devolved / Labour leaders included to come up with one plan to move forward as a single nation.
Ole gits rule said:
I keep seeing this perspective on Kier Starmer’s opposition and find it a little odd given what actually seems to be playing out.
He has offered to support to the government to make decisions but is ignored and shut out. Then his party are asked to vote on a path they had no part in shaping where the options are:
A) a level of lockdown tiers that are ineffective (having proven the case twice now)
B) no lockdown at all
The options are not what the medical experts were advising nor what any opposition part would have tabled. So, when you face a government with a monster majority, what more are you expecting from those sitting opposite??
Also - this new strain was found in September. Using it as a scapegoat seems very cynical rather than admitting the circuit breaker lockdown was too late, too short and the prior and following tiers, too relaxed.
We’re just playing the vaccine waiting game now, stuck between lockdown and partial-lockdown until vaccinations start to get the hospital admission numbers to drop.
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Didn’t realise there’s so many flat-earthers on this forum! 
I have said that Boris should start listening to Starmer, I don't have a particular issue with him but it is no win situtaion whatever the Government do, it is easy to criticise when whatever you suggest is not going to be used.
I am not a fan of Boris or Kier but don't see how anyone would have done any better as it is this is pretty much an unprecedented situation and it is learn as you go.
One major issue is the devolved Governments playing politics - Wales goes into Lockdown then scream that Boris will not stopped the English travelling into Wales. Wales come out of Lockdown as England start theirs and the Welsh can then travel into England, this is just helping the virus move around the country as many people travel over the boarders daily.
This needs to be co-ordinated far better and we finally seem to have had that yesterday at last but why has taken months to get there.
Why do we have different tiers in the three nations, just use the same b---dy rules to stop the confusion, it is not rocket science, make the rules simple and start using the same fines and rules - Wales initial fines only 30% of those applied in England.
People from England travelling into Wales and getting fined for breaking Covid rules because in Birmingham their rules are different, how are they supposed to know the difference.
I am not a fan of Boris or Kier but don't see how anyone would have done any better as it is this is pretty much an unprecedented situation and it is learn as you go.
One major issue is the devolved Governments playing politics - Wales goes into Lockdown then scream that Boris will not stopped the English travelling into Wales. Wales come out of Lockdown as England start theirs and the Welsh can then travel into England, this is just helping the virus move around the country as many people travel over the boarders daily.
This needs to be co-ordinated far better and we finally seem to have had that yesterday at last but why has taken months to get there.
Why do we have different tiers in the three nations, just use the same b---dy rules to stop the confusion, it is not rocket science, make the rules simple and start using the same fines and rules - Wales initial fines only 30% of those applied in England.
People from England travelling into Wales and getting fined for breaking Covid rules because in Birmingham their rules are different, how are they supposed to know the difference.
Politics should be put aside at a time like this - there should be government of national unity in times of crisis.
Bumbling/Bickering/Point scoring by the politicians isn't helping any of us.
In essence, they should grow up - I can't think of any one of the current crop of any colour that I would trust to run a bath, let alone the Nation.
Bumbling/Bickering/Point scoring by the politicians isn't helping any of us.
In essence, they should grow up - I can't think of any one of the current crop of any colour that I would trust to run a bath, let alone the Nation.
maxman said:You just don’t get it.ben g said:They are doing this because the hospitals are filling up at a rapid rate and one of the few mechanisms to slow it down,is the lockdown to reduce the spread.There’s millions affected,not just you.Many have lost their livelihood.
The hospitals were full last week, yet he still announced that it would be inhuman to ruin Christmas just 4 days ago. Do not tell me that they didn't know about this on Wednesday /Thursday! I saw a figure last week that there were 18,000 covid patients in hospitals in either England or the UK. That's many thousands more than the first lockdown, yet they still persisted with the Christmas plan up until 4pm yesterday.
Shambolic leadership and I have no doubt that conservatives will not be in power at the next election. I hate Labour for the Blair, brown years, but they will reap the rewards.
I now need to rush out and do a food shop, potentially contracting this so called deadly :lol: virus, simply because I had planned my Christmas bubble and at the last minute it's been changed.
Tony Blair has a lot to answer for by allowing the uk to split ,creating these little power bases.So with the Government bashing can anyone suggest how it could have been done any better?
Earlier full lockdowns? longer lockdowns? at the expense of the economy, no lockdowns at all?
All the talk of peoples mental health? is that really an issue? or just another fashionable buzzword, all I hear is people whingeing about their Christmas lunch being cancelled and their 3rd holiday of the year abroad. I do think peoples attitude to the pandemic is skewed :? or perhaps it sums up society today and what's important to the populas.
Not a criticism of comments on here, but as already suggested this has never happened before in living memory so how would you expect a Government to Govern under the circumstances to please everyone?
Tim.
Earlier full lockdowns? longer lockdowns? at the expense of the economy, no lockdowns at all?
All the talk of peoples mental health? is that really an issue? or just another fashionable buzzword, all I hear is people whingeing about their Christmas lunch being cancelled and their 3rd holiday of the year abroad. I do think peoples attitude to the pandemic is skewed :? or perhaps it sums up society today and what's important to the populas.
Not a criticism of comments on here, but as already suggested this has never happened before in living memory so how would you expect a Government to Govern under the circumstances to please everyone?
Tim.
TitanTim said:
Are you seriously denying that mental health problems exist? If so, may I direct you to the Jonathan Ross show last night, in which someone seen as hugely successful spoke in detail how he planned to end his own life.
You're an idiot for even suggesting people don't have mental health issues :thumbsdown:
ronk said:
This is basically what I was trying to say in a less succinct way - far too much political point scoring going on
SWMBO works in a hospital and it is getting worse, beds are getting scarce - people just don't want to listen and think that it will not affect them but it is affecting thousands more each day and I for one will be sticking to the rules.
It may not affect me but could affect more older members of my family who may not be as lucky as my father, this is what people need to remember.
It may not affect me but could affect more older members of my family who may not be as lucky as my father, this is what people need to remember.
The village green in Baslow today was just ridiculous, a nice day so hoards of tourists were milling around chatting and strolling into Chatsworth, social distancing wasn’t even considered. There was virtually no wind so the virus would be swilling around being sucked in as easy as breathing, I saw two people wearing masks out of maybe 200.... :roll: It’s too stupid for words.
This is what the government are battling, a large number of the population that refuse to do what they’re told or use any common sense. Isn’t hindsight a beautiful thing, and sure some of this could have been handled better, but devil they do devil they don’t whatever they do, I’d like to see any of the moaners in any walks of life do any better, as the saying goes, you’re job is easy until I come to try doing it. I don’t think Johnson rang these planks today and told them to go and mingle as though nothing was happening. :roll:
This is what the government are battling, a large number of the population that refuse to do what they’re told or use any common sense. Isn’t hindsight a beautiful thing, and sure some of this could have been handled better, but devil they do devil they don’t whatever they do, I’d like to see any of the moaners in any walks of life do any better, as the saying goes, you’re job is easy until I come to try doing it. I don’t think Johnson rang these planks today and told them to go and mingle as though nothing was happening. :roll:
When circumstances and information available change then your actions must change to accommodate the new information. That is all that has happened here. Unfortunately no Govt can evaluate each person and assess how they will act and pass Laws to apply to each individual.ben g said: