Taken off...

And, if you want to see a proper Alpina tribute look at this - the owner can't import an Alpina into Canada until they're 15 years old so he's tried to replicate the look
 
Z4M-2006 said:
I know exactly what you mean...

But going on a persons for sale thread and rubbishing the car isn't good for anyone.

That's why many forums lock "sale" threads immedietly and any interesting parties contact via PM,or any comments on price/condition etc etc etc are kept off thread..

What's the actual point of killing a sale thread of a nice car,regardless of price of badge?

The car is what it is,it will sell or it won't..
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I entirely agree that rubbishing sales is not in anyone's interest and we usually stop it if requestred or it gets a bit too lively. Example is price being higher than expected for age and model..

This is somewhat different and I shan't post all the information sent to mods by different forum members, but it was enough to justify allowing comment that this started as being an advert for an Alpina, was later modified after comment to 'fitted with Alpina kit...' and now removed fully.

Its a members forum where people discuss, assist, trade, look out for each other and help, not a commercial site. My opinion is that if people want the no questions asked sale route, then it's Ebay, Autotrader, etc.
 
First had a read if this thread earlier. Didn't think it would end well.

I think the owner underestimated or didn't consider how knowledgable our forum members are. Either that or hoped the Alpina parts would help sell the car.

Can't say I agree that Alpina badges de value the brand. Anyone who knows Alpina would know its not real. Anyone who doesn't know won't care....

If there 3,000 fakes on Autotrader, that's a different story of course.

I'd have been up for swapping wheels :)


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I agree that rubbishing sale prices is poor etiquette and not required at all.

It can be a tiring and lengthy process trying to sell a car and people rubbishing an advert's price is not going to help. Often people will ask for advice as to prices etc and that is different.

However, commenting on an advert to advise as to inaccuracy within the advert is fine imo, warning potentially less knowledgable buyers that the ca may not be as seems.
 
StevenH72 said:
I agree that rubbishing sale prices is poor etiquette and not required at all.

It can be a tiring and lengthy process trying to sell a car and people rubbishing an advert's price is not going to help. Often people will ask for advice as to prices etc and that is different.

However, commenting on an advert to advise as to inaccuracy within the advert is fine imo, warning potentially less knowledgable buyers that the ca may not be as seems.
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Agreed Steven. But when someone signs onto the forum just for selling their vehicle then I think they're fair game.
Just my opinion.
 
To be honest the good thing about buying a car from a forum like this is the advert attracts feedback, good and bad, from the forum base. If you see an advert on here you can read the discussion and make your decision based on what is said, that way there is less chance you have missed something obvious (or not).

We receive no payment for adverts so people have no "right" to post an advert, they are allowed to because of our rules but they must think carefully before they post because if there is something not quite kosha about the advert then it will (as we have seen) attract comments.

I see nothing wrong with this thread, apart from some of the petty name calling, which is all part of forum life, LOL!
 
jimbo1958 said:
StevenH72 said:
I agree that rubbishing sale prices is poor etiquette and not required at all.

It can be a tiring and lengthy process trying to sell a car and people rubbishing an advert's price is not going to help. Often people will ask for advice as to prices etc and that is different.

However, commenting on an advert to advise as to inaccuracy within the advert is fine imo, warning potentially less knowledgable buyers that the ca may not be as seems.
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Agreed Steven. But when someone signs onto the forum just for selling their vehicle then I think they're fair game.
Just my opinion.
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I understand and it is frustrating when people enter the community merely to exploit the resources (i.e. marketplace), but I still don't think that's justification to attack their price. Quite simply it a car is overpriced it won't sell...

It could be that the seller has recently lost a job or found themselves in financial difficulty so needs to sell quickly. Effectively killing their advert is not required, helpful or in the spirit of this community. If anybody feels that they need to lend a word of advice (re: price), then there is always the PM option.
 
1st Class Marques sold the one below, I would guess around three years ago..

http://www.1stclassmarques.com/cars/view/bmw_z4_30i_se_roadster_alpina_2004_23000_silver
 
StevenH72 said:
jimbo1958 said:
StevenH72 said:
I agree that rubbishing sale prices is poor etiquette and not required at all.

It can be a tiring and lengthy process trying to sell a car and people rubbishing an advert's price is not going to help. Often people will ask for advice as to prices etc and that is different.

However, commenting on an advert to advise as to inaccuracy within the advert is fine imo, warning potentially less knowledgable buyers that the ca may not be as seems.
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Agreed Steven. But when someone signs onto the forum just for selling their vehicle then I think they're fair game.
Just my opinion.
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I understand and it is frustrating when people enter the community merely to exploit the resources (i.e. marketplace), but I still don't think that's justification to attack their price. Quite simply it a car is overpriced it won't sell...

It could be that the seller has recently lost a job or found themselves in financial difficulty so needs to sell quickly. Effectively killing their advert is not required, helpful or in the spirit of this community. If anybody feels that they need to lend a word of advice (re: price), then there is always the PM option.
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But this was a car that was originally advertised as an "Alpina" with a price tag that was closer to that of a genuine "Alpina" than that of a 3.0 that it actually is.
So it wasn't only overpriced but misrepresented.
I think that to use your words "killing their advert" was justified in this instance before some less knowlegable forum member or other spent their hard earned cash on this one.
I bought my car from a forum member from the classifieds here. If it was known to be a wrong 'un or had some dodgy history I would of hoped someone would of pointed it out at the time.

I do agree with you though Steven where people just comment on peoples pricing.

Cheers. :thumbsup:
 
jimbo1958 said:
StevenH72 said:
jimbo1958 said:
Agreed Steven. But when someone signs onto the forum just for selling their vehicle then I think they're fair game.
Just my opinion.
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I understand and it is frustrating when people enter the community merely to exploit the resources (i.e. marketplace), but I still don't think that's justification to attack their price. Quite simply it a car is overpriced it won't sell...

It could be that the seller has recently lost a job or found themselves in financial difficulty so needs to sell quickly. Effectively killing their advert is not required, helpful or in the spirit of this community. If anybody feels that they need to lend a word of advice (re: price), then there is always the PM option.
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But this was a car that was originally advertised as an "Alpina" with a price tag that was closer to that of a genuine "Alpina" than that of a 3.0 that it actually is.
So it wasn't only overpriced but misrepresented.
I think that to use your words "killing their advert" was justified in this instance before some less knowlegable forum member or other spent their hard earned cash on this one.
I bought my car from a forum member from the classifieds here. If it was known to be a wrong 'un or had some dodgy history I would of hoped someone would of pointed it out at the time.

I do agree with you though Steven where people just comment on peoples pricing.

Cheers. :thumbsup:
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Oh, I agree and I don't have any problems with pointing out that a car is misrepresnted as in this case.

It's just the pricing arguments I have a problem with.

So I think we are in agreement. :thumbsup:
 
Maxsam said:
1st Class Marques sold the one below, I would guess around three years ago..

http://www.1stclassmarques.com/cars/view/bmw_z4_30i_se_roadster_alpina_2004_23000_silver
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Thats interesting - so almost certainly the seller was a private seller just using the photos from the for sale advert from 3 years ago . which is fair enough but it would have been worth mentioning it in the ad. The ad describes the dealer fit of the parts on the car - nice find Maxsam
 
Personally I don't even mind the price being questioned on posts. People come to a forum often knowing not much about cars and buying from a forum is a great way of getting a great car at a great price.

Put it this way, if I were to look at an advert on here and the majority of people said it was a fair price for the car then I'd feel less worried about buying it. People keeping quiet for the sake of someone selling their car at an over the odds price is not necessary (in my mind). If you want to sell your car and not have people question the price and the package in general then feel free to go to Autotrader and pay their listing costs.

Maybe we should charge a £20 premium to lock a "for sale" thread? ;)
 
Like most forums i think that £10(12 months) to give the contributor selling rights is more than fair....
 
I think that's a great idea. Cheap ad with comments for free. Locked ad with weekly bump for £10 for twelve months? :)


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Adamski said:
I think that's a great idea. Cheap ad with comments for free. Locked ad with weekly bump for £10 for twelve months? :)


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Boom! done :)

I think if you place a car in a forum expect to be questioned a bit more... I personally have never had an issue with the car sale posts I've made in the past
 
Maybe a separate section for "private" ads?

I guess the "non private" section will sell more cars, but hey ho


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Firstly, I was only joking, I don't intend to charge for ads...

Secondly, funny how you reduced my hypothetical £20 to "£10 for 12 months"... last of the big spenders, eh? ;)
 
What winds me up is people that join the forum just to try and sell their cars on here :thumbsdown:
There should be a minimum of say 50 - 100 posts before they can advertise their car for free.
Any new members that just join to sell their Zed,should pay a fee to the forum.
 
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