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[mr wilks]

This would be a £15k car without its History, £10k would be a steal for a buyer ( providing it's inspects well), but £11.5k seems fair.

I dunno mate , He could ask £15k but would he get it ? our own "halifaxbantam" has had his Mr up for a bit less with no takers after a month :?
A flawless example with not many more miles on & absolutely zero spend required . I thought it would fly away around\£15k but it hasnt
Whether Ms or non Ms Its a strange science with no definitive which i guess is what makes it so interesting

 

[Mad Professor]

I'm sure Ross will end up finding someone who will come and view the car and decide that it's the right car for them at the right price ,end of story .

 

[StevenH72]

This would be a £15k car without its History, £10k would be a steal for a buyer ( providing it's inspects well), but £11.5k seems fair.

I dunno mate , He could ask £15k but would he get it ? our own "halifaxbantam" has had his Mr up for a bit less with no takers after a month :?
A flawless example with not many more miles on & absolutely zero spend required . I thought it would fly away around\£15k but it hasnt
Whether Ms or non Ms Its a strange science with no definitive which i guess is what makes it so interesting

True, but then his car has covered 13k more miles, almost 50% higher. Also, although I think the Shadow Chrome looks awesome it might put a few buyers off, takes away the OEM look. But you're right, private cars do seem to be having a harder time selling than trader offerings.

 

[StevenH72]

This would be a £15k car without its History, £10k would be a steal for a buyer ( providing it's inspects well), but £11.5k seems fair.

I dunno mate , He could ask £15k but would he get it ? our own "halifaxbantam" has had his Mr up for a bit less with no takers after a month :?
A flawless example with not many more miles on & absolutely zero spend required . I thought it would fly away around\£15k but it hasnt
Whether Ms or non Ms Its a strange science with no definitive which i guess is what makes it so interesting

True, but then his car has covered 13k more miles, almost 50% higher. Also, although I think the Shadow Chrome looks awesome it might put a few buyers off, takes away the OEM look. But you're right, private cars do seem to be having a harder time selling than trader offerings.

 

[rossd0131]

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[FR08MEE]

£11k is a fair price... either way you cut it with Cat D cars like this in the worst case scenario it would be worth its value (or more) in parts.

£3k-£3.5k Engine
£1k interior
£500 wheels
£400 carbon trim
£400 Bonnet
£300 front bumper
£300 rear bumper
£250 steering wheel

Gearbox, Diff, Sat Nav, roof, roof motor, wings, etc, etc.

You would probably have people snapping your arm off for the parts too as they are in desirable colours and most parts like the bonnet, carbon trim, red interior, etc rarely come up.

 

[wantaz4m]

This would be a £15k car without its History, £10k would be a steal for a buyer ( providing it's inspects well), but £11.5k seems fair.

I dunno mate , He could ask £15k but would he get it ? our own "halifaxbantam" has had his Mr up for a bit less with no takers after a month :?
A flawless example with not many more miles on & absolutely zero spend required . I thought it would fly away around\£15k but it hasnt
Whether Ms or non Ms Its a strange science with no definitive which i guess is what makes it so interesting

it's the colour...silver just isn't as popular, I had the same problem with my silver coupe.......

blue or red would have sold that car already...

 

[Ewazix]

Also, here is a picture of another Z4 (NOT MINE) which I found after a wee search on google. This car is currently for sale - it's a category D damaged car for which the insurance has paid out and its currently for sale by an insurance company - this shows the position of the bumper bar and in my opinion gives an idea of the level of damage required to cause a category D payout and a marker added to a car - clearly this varies from model to model and claim to claim but this is a real life Z4 cat D in its naked state...

NOT MY CAR!!!!! For reference only:

NOT MY CAR!!!!! For reference only:

Cheers,
Ross

Honestly mate I've never seen such a slippery ad' on the forum, now you are posting pics of another Cat D as an example of what cat D damage MIGHT look like FFS :lol:
Firstly your car was valued at say £40k and as you have said would need a claim total of 50- 60% to be a cat D so thats £20k+. The cat D car you have posted was valued at £6500 so requires a claim of only £4k to be a cat D write-off (the current bid on that car is £800 on a salvage auction web-site)

Your car looks fantastic and has nice low miles but I'm gob-smacked that very well respected members with an iconic knowledge of these cars have endorsed it as "a great car" and offer valuations based on the information you have posted sight-unseen. We don't know the actual extent of the damage, the parts list, were they new, OEM or used parts? Who repaired it, were the the repairers BMW or even industry approved? We know cat D cars don't require an inspection to be put back on the road but was there a buyers inspection, is a copy available?
There is the no mention of service history other than an oil change 500 miles ago and a picture of the oil can (I've never seen an ///M advert on the forum without service history being quizzed before) people usually get quite excited about the inspection service, intervals and brake fluid changes particularly on low mileage cars where it can be tempting to skip services.
Are all keys present? (often lost on write-offs) no mention.

http://www.mviuk.co.uk/motoring-news/131212-jargon-busting-insurance-write-offs/
and since you are posting pictures of other cat D cars and the damage that MIGHT be involved here's another real life Cat D example just to assist forum. It probably should have been cat C, but wasn't! so shows what a lottery buying CAT cars can be unless you can get factual information.


Sorry if this seems harsh I'm not knocking the car or the price but think you have glossed-over the factual information forum buyers should be asking so risk being misleading. I genuinely hope you sell it well but forum contributors should be looking out for buyers as well as sellers.

 

[rossd0131]

Honestly mate I've never seen such a slippery ad' on the forum, now you are posting pics of another Cat D as an example of what cat D damage MIGHT look like FFS :lol:
Firstly your car was valued at say £40k and as you have said would need a claim total of 50- 60% to be a cat D so thats £20k+. The cat D car you have posted was valued at £6500 so requires a claim of only £4k to be a cat D write-off (the current bid on that car is £800 on a salvage auction web-site)

Your car looks fantastic and has nice low miles but I'm gob-smacked that very well respected members with an iconic knowledge of these cars have endorsed it as "a great car" and offer valuations based on the information you have posted sight-unseen. We don't know the actual extent of the damage, the parts list, were they new, OEM or used parts? Who repaired it, were the the repairers BMW or even industry approved? We know cat D cars don't require an inspection to be put back on the road but was there a buyers inspection, is a copy available?
There is the no mention of service history other than an oil change 500 miles ago and a picture of the oil can (I've never seen an ///M advert on the forum without service history being quizzed before) people usually get quite excited about the inspection service, intervals and brake fluid changes particularly on low mileage cars where it can be tempting to skip services.
Are all keys present? (often lost on write-offs) no mention.

http://www.mviuk.co.uk/motoring-news/131212-jargon-busting-insurance-write-offs/
and since you are posting pictures of other cat D cars and the damage that MIGHT be involved here's another real life Cat D example just to assist forum. It probably should have been cat C, but wasn't! so shows what a lottery buying CAT cars can be unless you can get factual information.


Sorry if this seems harsh I'm not knocking the car or the price but think you have glossed-over the factual information forum buyers should be asking so risk being misleading. I genuinely hope you sell it well but forum contributors should be looking out for buyers as well as sellers.

A slippery ad? I welcome any inspection of the car and would be delighted for you to arrive and cast your expert eye over it! I did not repair the car, or hide or cover anything up. When I saw the car advertised 3 years ago I kept an open mind, viewed, drove it and examined it inside, outside, under the bonnet and underneath, I was satisfied and purchased it - I've had it now for 3 years without any issues - I've covered thousands of miles each year and it has taken me around the north of Scotland and as far as Prague on trip around Europe

I agree that people should be cautious when buying any car, I have stressed this in my previous posts, but without wishing to be insulting, you seem very biased. Most people who view this thread wont buy my car, but it might be thought provoking and influence their view on buying a cat D car in the future - What has caused you to form your opinion? Objective research or as the result of biased websites such as the one you linked to? I clicked on the link and read that site, you are aware that this is an advert for a company that SELL vehicle inspections? The website looks almost like clickbait propaganda and would have you believe that half the cars on the road are going to kill you or have been rung in a back street garage... Do you really believe that this is an unbiased view?????

The image I posted was of an actual car for sale by one of the largest insurance salvage companies in the world http://www.copart.co.uk/ go there and look at many of the cars that are for sale in various categories and do your own research of the range of damage which can result in a Cat D category. This is interesting not just for my car but for an understanding of the industry as a whole.

HERE IS A REAL EXAMPLE OF A 1 YEAR OLD CAT D - yes there are many, many, variations of what can be a cat D but only a fool would think that they are all wrecks.... Its a genuine 2014 Audi RS4 with 2000 miles and is a write off.....

QUESTION FOR Ewazix - How much do you think this would cost to repair? Should it be a write off? Do you believe that this car would not be worth repairing?

http://www.copart.co.uk/uk/Lot/18981175?searchId=526001837

 

[mad4slalom]

I don't understand this bit:

this was a non fault claim by the original owner who received a new vehicle from BMW

Why did BMW give a new car? Did they cause the damage? Is this recorded as a CAT as Andy mentioned as for a 1 year old to be written off for a bumper seems excessive.

Maybe original owner was a Politician, clever use of words ? if he crashed it and it was somebody else's fault, and it was written off, then he would have received a pay out from his insurance , (which may have been a BMW policy) and the replacement would have been supplied by BMW as ford, citroen or land rover dont supply BMW's !!!

 

[Ewazix]

Excellent, page 4 and checkable information on the service history is now out there

But not the repair history. If you don't KNOW the FACTUAL answers to obvious questions about the repair history of YOUR CAR don't guess or speculate, just say so.

 

[rossd0131]

I don't understand this bit:

this was a non fault claim by the original owner who received a new vehicle from BMW

Why did BMW give a new car? Did they cause the damage? Is this recorded as a CAT as Andy mentioned as for a 1 year old to be written off for a bumper seems excessive.

Maybe original owner was a Politician, clever use of words ? if he crashed it and it was somebody else's fault, and it was written off, then he would have received a pay out from his insurance , (which may have been a BMW policy) and the replacement would have been supplied by BMW as ford, citroen or land rover dont supply BMW's !!!

I have a new idea for the advert, it's very simple and unambiguous:

Car for sale - Call for details

 

[mad4slalom]

Honestly mate I've never seen such a slippery ad' on the forum, now you are posting pics of another Cat D as an example of what cat D damage MIGHT look like FFS :lol:
Firstly your car was valued at say £40k and as you have said would need a claim total of 50- 60% to be a cat D so thats £20k+. The cat D car you have posted was valued at £6500 so requires a claim of only £4k to be a cat D write-off (the current bid on that car is £800 on a salvage auction web-site)

Your car looks fantastic and has nice low miles but I'm gob-smacked that very well respected members with an iconic knowledge of these cars have endorsed it as "a great car" and offer valuations based on the information you have posted sight-unseen. We don't know the actual extent of the damage, the parts list, were they new, OEM or used parts? Who repaired it, were the the repairers BMW or even industry approved? We know cat D cars don't require an inspection to be put back on the road but was there a buyers inspection, is a copy available?
There is the no mention of service history other than an oil change 500 miles ago and a picture of the oil can (I've never seen an ///M advert on the forum without service history being quizzed before) people usually get quite excited about the inspection service, intervals and brake fluid changes particularly on low mileage cars where it can be tempting to skip services.
Are all keys present? (often lost on write-offs) no mention.

http://www.mviuk.co.uk/motoring-news/131212-jargon-busting-insurance-write-offs/
and since you are posting pictures of other cat D cars and the damage that MIGHT be involved here's another real life Cat D example just to assist forum. It probably should have been cat C, but wasn't! so shows what a lottery buying CAT cars can be unless you can get factual information.


Sorry if this seems harsh I'm not knocking the car or the price but think you have glossed-over the factual information forum buyers should be asking so risk being misleading. I genuinely hope you sell it well but forum contributors should be looking out for buyers as well as sellers.

A slippery ad? I welcome any inspection of the car and would be delighted for you to arrive and cast your expert eye over it! I did not repair the car, or hide or cover anything up. When I saw the car advertised 3 years ago I kept an open mind, viewed, drove it and examined it inside, outside, under the bonnet and underneath, I was satisfied and purchased it - I've had it now for 3 years without any issues - I've covered thousands of miles each year and it has taken me around the north of Scotland and as far as Prague on trip around Europe

I agree that people should be cautious when buying any car, I have stressed this in my previous posts, but without wishing to be insulting, you seem very biased. Most people who view this thread wont buy my car, but it might be thought provoking and influence their view on buying a cat D car in the future - What has caused you to form your opinion? Objective research or as the result of biased websites such as the one you linked to? I clicked on the link and read that site, you are aware that this is an advert for a company that SELL vehicle inspections? The website looks almost like clickbait propaganda and would have you believe that half the cars on the road are going to kill you or have been rung in a back street garage... Do you really believe that this is an unbiased view?????

The image I posted was of an actual car for sale by one of the largest insurance salvage companies in the world http://www.copart.co.uk/ go there and look at many of the cars that are for sale in various categories and do your own research of the range of damage which can result in a Cat D category. This is interesting not just for my car but for an understanding of the industry as a whole.

HERE IS A REAL EXAMPLE OF A 1 YEAR OLD CAT D - yes there are many, many, variations of what can be a cat D but only a fool would think that they are all wrecks.... Its a genuine 2014 Audi RS4 with 2000 miles and is a write off.....

QUESTION FOR Ewazix - How much do you think this would cost to repair? Should it be a write off? Do you believe that this car would not be worth repairing?

http://www.copart.co.uk/uk/Lot/18981175?searchId=526001837

Also, for someone with a lot to say have you actually looked at my advert in detail? I took a picture of the paperwork etc and I have shown two original keys in the picture I HAVE TWO KEYS

In terms of service history, yes I suppose I could have put more in my advert but I assumed that any interested person would contact me and see this for themselves. For the avoidance of doubt... I HAVE A SERVICE BOOK WITH STAMPS FROM BMW:

07/06/06 Pre Devliery Check - BMW Sytner Oldbury
27/06/06 1150 miles - Running In Check - BMW Sytner Oldbury
Then Eastern BMW at 8000 miles April 2008, 13000 miles Nov 2008, 17000 miles April 2010, at 23500 miles in December 2013. The most recent oil change was done at the tail end of 2014 before the car went into the garage for winter, this and the O2 sensor change was not at BMW and is not stamped in the book but I have receipts for parts and for the work done at an independent garage in Edinburgh which I have used several times on our other cars and found to be very knowledgeable and reliable.

The MOT history is also present, from this I can also see that it had new rear springs fitted in 2007 by the previous owner but I have no recipients for this and it was never mentioned to me when I bought it. However, I now know this to be a common fault and rear springs are often replaced.

However, for me service history is far less important than actual condition - stamps and receipts are not worth much in my view - I have had many cars serviced at main dealerships whilst under warranty and found that they have not carried out some of the work which they have billed for - This is why I would always urge anyone to examine a car before purchase, if you cant do this yourself then arrange someone who can, and have it serviced by somewhere you trust immediately or as early as you can afford.

Finally, I have driven the car for 3 years and over 10,000 miles with no issues. I am aware that you don't know me; who I am and what I am is not important or something which is wise to discuss on a public forum, but I am not the sort of person likely to have bought this car in the first place if it was unsafe or not up to standard.

I'm not casting judgment on anyone or forming opinions without knowing the facts, and I would urge everyone to form your own opinion and make your own mind up

Nice pic of the audi, however the other side could be annhialated, or could have had water ingress into the engine and bent the rods. which may well explain the written off status. ps, Fact, no one Ever overstates the damge when selling a Cat D,...just sayin

 

[rossd0131]

Excellent, page 4 and checkable information on the service history is now out there

But not the repair history. If you don't KNOW the FACTUAL answers to obvious questions about the repair history of YOUR CAR don't guess or speculate, just say so.

So, now your now telling me that you DON'T want to buy it? Make your mind up already....

 

[rossd0131]

Nice pic of the audi, however the other side could be annhialated, or could have had water ingress into the engine and bent the rods. which may well explain the written off status. ps, Fact, no one Ever overstates the damge when selling a Cat D,...just sayin

Have a look at the link.... It starts, drives and has damage to the rear offside... it'll just take you a few seconds to look...

I find the mixed response very interesting from a psychological point of view. Sometimes it pays to be cynical, sometimes it pays to be optimistic - But you will also miss opportunities if you always assume the worst..

I do not have any images or my car from 2007 or I would happily post them. I did not see the car when it was damaged. All I can say is what I have been told, the results of the HPI checks, MOT history checks I have carried out, and what I can see for myself when I look with my own eyes.

In my opinion, this is a great car as it is. However, it would also make the perfect base vehicle for any modifications (Supercharger kit anyone), as anything non-standard is gonna put some people off - On that basis I would be reluctant to modify a standard one if resale value were a consideration. With mine you could have a car with under 30k miles, in great condition, fitted with a supercharger for less than the price of a standard one with higher mileage... In fact, this is what a friend of mine with a supercharged VX220 has been trying to convince me to do for ages. If it does not sell I might, this is not my daily driver and it would be good to have a wee project on the go when I have a break from baby duties...

 

[rossd0131]

After coming home from shopping with the wife today, I sat down with a coffee re-read the thread and added a comprehensive update (i hope) to the first post. If this is not enough then idkwi ...

 

[JakeGT]

Possibly repaired by Peter Vardy cars judging by the number plate?

I think it's a cracking car for the price

 

[mr wilks]

After coming home from shopping with the wife today, I sat down with a coffee re-read the thread and added a comprehensive update (i hope) to the first post. If this is not enough then idkwi ...

Great update Ross & i may well be tempted to give you the full asking price if i could see what it was
Maybe stick it across the post title if it is somewhere & i can't see it :? & if its £10k please PM me

 

[rossd0131]

After coming home from shopping with the wife today, I sat down with a coffee re-read the thread and added a comprehensive update (i hope) to the first post. If this is not enough then idkwi ...

Great update Ross & i may well be tempted to give you the full asking price if i could see what it was
Maybe stick it across the post title if it is somewhere & i can't see it :? & if its £10k please PM me

cheers!

I've edited the title to include it and added it at the start of the post.

 

[sharkman07]

After trawling through pages and pages I'm still confused as to what the price is.. can the OP post it clearly please?