SOLD - 19" R3 Staggered Hyper Silver Alloys with tyres

[STUBOY2UK]

I had a few problems with wheel balancing after having mine refurbished. The refurbishers balanced them but there was a vibration so I took them to a local tyre fitter the next day who said they were slightly out and re-balanced them. There was still a vibration so I took them to a highly recommended (on other forums) wheel alignment place who re-balanced them again, still there was vibration!

In the end I took the car into Sytner BMW and the guy took one look at them and said there was far too many weights on them and that BMW laser alignment would sort it out. He balanced them and they are absolutely spot on at every speed, with far fewer weights on them.

 

[boristhespider2016]

I had a few problems with wheel balancing after having mine refurbished. The refurbishers balanced them but there was a vibration so I took them to a local tyre fitter the next day who said they were slightly out and re-balanced them. There was still a vibration so I took them to a highly recommended (on other forums) wheel alignment place who re-balanced them again, still there was vibration!

In the end I took the car into Sytner BMW and the guy took one look at them and said there was far too many weights on them and that BMW laser alignment would sort it out. He balanced them and they are absolutely spot on at every speed, with far fewer weights on them.

Thanks for that mate. I reckon I'll take mine to BMW for the laser alignment too before I go mad! One question though, do you reckon they would still be able to sort them even if non-BMW wheels? Cheers.

 

[mr wilks]

I had a few problems with wheel balancing after having mine refurbished. The refurbishers balanced them but there was a vibration so I took them to a local tyre fitter the next day who said they were slightly out and re-balanced them. There was still a vibration so I took them to a highly recommended (on other forums) wheel alignment place who re-balanced them again, still there was vibration!

In the end I took the car into Sytner BMW and the guy took one look at them and said there was far too many weights on them and that BMW laser alignment would sort it out. He balanced them and they are absolutely spot on at every speed, with far fewer weights on them.

Thanks for that mate. I reckon I'll take mine to BMW for the laser alignment too before I go mad! One question though, do you reckon they would still be able to sort them even if non-BMW wheels? Cheers.

Additionally when did your car last have a MOT ? Or any history of the front susp / control arms / bushes replaced ? They may not be knocking but widening your track & bulk with the 19s will heighten any play you have up front

 

[z4pilot]

Might sound stupid , but is there a possibility you could try them back on kammy's car? That would at least eliminate any differences in the cars as the cause of the problem. I notice from kammy's sig that his car is lowered and so will have different geometry when compared with a standard car. It could be that you've got the equivalent of an F1 type flatspot - different wear points and contact patches on your 2 cars leading to the vibration.

 

[mr wilks]

Might sound stupid , but is there a possibility you could try them back on kammy's car? That would at least eliminate any differences in the cars as the cause of the problem. I notice from kammy's sig that his car is lowered and so will have different geometry when compared with a standard car. It could be that you've got the equivalent of an F1 type flatspot - different wear points and contact patches on your 2 cars leading to the vibration.

You can also switch the fronts to back simply to get to speed then slow to either highlight the problem further or show the fronts to be badly out of balance :wink:

 

[boristhespider2016]

I had a few problems with wheel balancing after having mine refurbished. The refurbishers balanced them but there was a vibration so I took them to a local tyre fitter the next day who said they were slightly out and re-balanced them. There was still a vibration so I took them to a highly recommended (on other forums) wheel alignment place who re-balanced them again, still there was vibration!

In the end I took the car into Sytner BMW and the guy took one look at them and said there was far too many weights on them and that BMW laser alignment would sort it out. He balanced them and they are absolutely spot on at every speed, with far fewer weights on them.

Thanks for that mate. I reckon I'll take mine to BMW for the laser alignment too before I go mad! One question though, do you reckon they would still be able to sort them even if non-BMW wheels? Cheers.

Additionally when did your car last have a MOT ? Or any history of the front susp / control arms / bushes replaced ? They may not be knocking but widening your track & bulk with the 19s will heighten any play you have up front

Last MOT was end of August with only advisory for rear tyres nearly down to limit. I can't find any history directly associated with control arms or bushes replaced, only that a front spring replaced in 2008! It's a 2004 2.5SE with 50k miles.

 

[boristhespider2016]

Might sound stupid , but is there a possibility you could try them back on kammy's car? That would at least eliminate any differences in the cars as the cause of the problem. I notice from kammy's sig that his car is lowered and so will have different geometry when compared with a standard car. It could be that you've got the equivalent of an F1 type flatspot - different wear points and contact patches on your 2 cars leading to the vibration.

Mmmm, didn't think of this. Suppose I just assumed that re-balancing all 4 wheels would have sorted any problems. Did double check with Kammy that they would fit straight on my non lowered, totally standard car and he assured me it would be a straight swap over with no issues!

 

[boristhespider2016]

Might sound stupid , but is there a possibility you could try them back on kammy's car? That would at least eliminate any differences in the cars as the cause of the problem. I notice from kammy's sig that his car is lowered and so will have different geometry when compared with a standard car. It could be that you've got the equivalent of an F1 type flatspot - different wear points and contact patches on your 2 cars leading to the vibration.

You can also switch the fronts to back simply to get to speed then slow to either highlight the problem further or show the fronts to be badly out of balance :wink:

Would this be ok to do with staggered wheels mr wilks? At the moment, nothing untoward till I get past about 55mph and then it all starts. Even worse on motorways. Faster I go, worse it gets. Steering wheel visibly moves to left and right and shakes feeling a bit like excessive tramlining. Vibration comes through steering wheel and accelerator pedal if I nudge past 85!

 

[STUBOY2UK]

I had a few problems with wheel balancing after having mine refurbished. The refurbishers balanced them but there was a vibration so I took them to a local tyre fitter the next day who said they were slightly out and re-balanced them. There was still a vibration so I took them to a highly recommended (on other forums) wheel alignment place who re-balanced them again, still there was vibration!

In the end I took the car into Sytner BMW and the guy took one look at them and said there was far too many weights on them and that BMW laser alignment would sort it out. He balanced them and they are absolutely spot on at every speed, with far fewer weights on them.

Thanks for that mate. I reckon I'll take mine to BMW for the laser alignment too before I go mad! One question though, do you reckon they would still be able to sort them even if non-BMW wheels? Cheers.

Yeh mine are CSL reps so not genuine BMW wheels. They said that they couldn't take responsibility if they didn't balance as I have non-OEM wheels and Eibach suspension but it runs like a dream now.

 

[kammy1975]

Might sound stupid , but is there a possibility you could try them back on kammy's car? That would at least eliminate any differences in the cars as the cause of the problem. I notice from kammy's sig that his car is lowered and so will have different geometry when compared with a standard car. It could be that you've got the equivalent of an F1 type flatspot - different wear points and contact patches on your 2 cars leading to the vibration.

Just to mention, my car wasn't lowered when the wheels were on the car. They were removed before I lowered the vehicle, so definitely nothing to do with the lowering aspect.

What is baffling me is that if ATS did actually balance them correctly, then the wheels surely cant be the problem. As Mr Wilks mentions, the larger wheels with the wider track would essentially exaggerate any potential issues relating to the car suspension. Im probably too far away for you to come back and swap wheels around, but is there a forum member around your parts who could swap wheels and see if the issues continued ?

As for swapping the front to the rear, I think Mr Wilks is suggesting doing that to try and isolate whether the issue relates to a specific wheel. As long as you dont drive like a nutter, its defintiely safe to do so, but you may get some rubbing as the rears are wider than the fronts with a different offset. Having said that, I have seen cars with square setups with 9.5 width wheels up front, so it shouldnt be a problem

One final thing. You mention that it was more noticeable under braking. That definitely suggests that there is something else wrong here. Or is it a collection of smaller issues all resulting in a bigger one.

 

[boristhespider2016]

May I point out a couple of things. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with my tracking, brakes, suspension, bushes, track rod ends or possible warped discs/worn pads before I put THESE wheels and tyres on! Furthermore, it is now apparent that the DATES on the REAR tyres are 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, to clarify, the rear tyres are NINE YEARS OLD!!! Over to YOU Kammy..............

 

[mr wilks]

Can't see 9yr old tyres causing feedback through the steering wheel under heavy braking :? its either worn components or incorrectly balanced wheels
Try switching the wheels front to back as i suggested then doing similar straight runs up to 70 then braking to see if any improvement or indeed worsening of the problem ( not saying run them backwards way around full time btw )

 

[kammy1975]

May I point out a couple of things. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with my tracking, brakes, suspension, bushes, track rod ends or possible warped discs/worn pads before I put THESE wheels and tyres on! Furthermore, it is now apparent that the DATES on the REAR tyres are 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, to clarify, the rear tyres are NINE YEARS OLD!!! Over to YOU Kammy..............

When you came to look at the wheels, I told you that the rear tyres had come off the SLK 55 I had owned before, and that, as I had the tyres in the garage, I simply used them on these alloys. At no point did I claim the tyres were new. So I'm not quite sure what point you are making.

You stated yourself in a previous post that a balanced wheel is balanced off the car. If the machine says it's balanced, then why the issues?

I'm not having a go, simply trying to understand the issues myself and help you in anyway I can.

 

[boristhespider2016]

May I point out a couple of things. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with my tracking, brakes, suspension, bushes, track rod ends or possible warped discs/worn pads before I put THESE wheels and tyres on! Furthermore, it is now apparent that the DATES on the REAR tyres are 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, to clarify, the rear tyres are NINE YEARS OLD!!! Over to YOU Kammy..............

When you came to look at the wheels, I told you that the rear tyres had come off the SLK 55 I had owned before, and that, as I had the tyres in the garage, I simply used them on these alloys. At no point did I claim the tyres were new. So I'm not quite sure what point you are making.

You stated yourself in a previous post that a balanced wheel is balanced off the car. If the machine says it's balanced, then why the issues?

I'm not having a go, simply trying to understand the issues myself and help you in anyway I can.

Point taken. Like you, I suppose I'm just trying to explore every avenue and seek other more knowledgeable peoples ideas/experience as to ascertain what has happened and a solution to the problem. As you obviously understand, just very frustrating and can't help wishing I still had the original 108 split rims to put back on!

 

[STUBOY2UK]

Seriously, get yourself to BMW and get them laser balanced.

After mine were balanced for the second time and it still vibrated, I started going through the whole 'is it worn bushes?, perhaps the tyres are faulty?' etc etc. One laser-balancing later and it was perfect