So I just bought this. Don't laugh! Update: not gonna happen :(

Little update.

Oh well, it's still an ongoing saga with the overheating Lotus Excel.
I was being given the over-optimistic 'It will be fine by the weekend Chris' response to emails sent to the dealer through the week.
Was put off from going yesterday by him and suggested to come in today.
Was trying to ring in the morning but no answer.

So I decided to trek down there anyway and on my arrival I was given a rather feeble apology for not being able to get through to them by phone. Short-staffed on Sundays apparently.
The car was up on a ramp with what I can only describe as an Airfix kit-like mess on the ground around it. All the coolant plumbing and ancillaries detached and in bits. The rad nowhere to be seen and a rather worryingly-sized pool of oil on the ground directly below the engine.

Dealer: 'We gave it an oil change Chris'.
Me: 'Er, what? You did that the week before last?'
Dealer: 'Er, no we didn't have time, so we did it today.'
Me: 'But you told me yourself you did an oil change the week before last.....?'
Dealer: '...Anyway, so we're still busy with the cooling system. The radiator is being cleaned. We ordered some new hoses and some other things.'

At this point 2 things hit me. He's literally lied to me about the oil-change and he's been hedging all week about it being ready and it still isn't. He could have just told me it's not ready and we could have delayed another week if necessary.
Weird.

Oh wait, there's more; it transpires it's not even part of his dealer inventory. He's selling it 'on behalf of a friend'. I was never told this until today when I started asking about a warranty. I'd already negotiated it away but now it seems it would have never had one in the first place.
I'm 99% inclined to walk away from this now. I'm beginning to get the impression that they don't really know what they're doing and that they've just been waiting for an over-enthusiastic mug to come along and fall for it.

So it's good to set firm boundaries and acceptance criteria right at the beginning of any deal. Especially when you're dealing with cars of this age and reputation.

I haven't paid a bean for anything in this deal and I'm not committed from a legal standpoint so I have nothing to lose.
I'd love it to be a different story. I knew it needing some small jobs and issues sorting out and it would make an excellent little project car, but I really wanted something I could drive away from the seller. Not something I'd be worrying about it letting go and going pop-fizz from the get go.

Thoughts?
Stick with it, or cut and run?
 
SO, on my 5th and final visit to the dealer this morning I reluctantly decided to call it a day on this one. :(

As per the week before last I received a raft of reassuring emails from the dealer through the week and on the latest test drive this morning all of the issues that he said would be sorted are still there to more or less degree.
The overheating issue is still there but this time with added smells! I don't know if it's a result of removing, 'refreshing' and replacing the cooling system but the smells coming into the cabin while out on a run concerned me so much I had to pull over and pop the hood to see what was going on in the engine bay! Sort of a boiling coolant mixed with burning rubber, melting resin and dead cat, if you can imagine that! :o

Braking was still a bit of a lottery and I suspect they have simply just bled the system and put new fluid in rather than re-balance properly.

An additional issue that wasn't there before was that it popped out of gear a couple of times. This was the final straw as far as I was concerned. I would just be opening myself up to a lottery of more issues to come in my estimation.

Got it back to the dealer, explained the issues and I got the same pantomime response; 'But we fixed everything Chris, the car is perfect now!'. Er, I don't think so mate. I got the feeling that due to my enthusiasm and compliance to his stalling emails week-on-week that he thought he could probably mug me off eventually. Not so, sadly for him.
He became rather irate, verging on angry and practically kicked me out of the dealership which I thought was rather unprofessional and defeatist.
I duly thanked him for his courtesy and informed him that I would not be coming back. :roll:

I suppose the moral of this tale is that no matter how good you THINK the car looks externally, no matter what's in the history and paperwork and especially no matter what the dealer tells you, always let practicality and sense prevail over your heart and romantic enthusiasm!

So. On with the search. Any suggestions?

Budget is 10-15k including purchase and fettling to good mechanical condition. Has to be 'different' or quirky with a bit of a wow factor. Preferably with proven mechanicals, enabling some customisation at a later date. I'm all over Pistonheads and there's a huge amount of 'youngtimer' dealers here in The Netherlands with all manner of exotica. Something Amurrrcan is also perhaps an option as there's loads to be had here, possibly a legacy of all those Amurrrcan service personnel based here over the years.

Once I know it's a sound car then the real fun can begin. I have some ideas in mind but that's for a later post..... :wink:
 
I think the moral of the story is, that for all your pratting about on this forum, you actually took a really sensible approach and got correspondingly fair outcome. :)

Chris_D said:
So. On with the search. Any suggestions?

Accord Type R. Miles under budget, but who cares?
 
Do consider that, even with a properly sorted car, at this age and build quality even when new, problems like these will pop up from time to time eventually. So you might hold out now for the 'perfect project car' (a contradiction in terms right off the bat), but be prepared that whatever you buy, 3 months down the road could just as easily start overheating/popping out of gear/pulling to one side when braking. Just look on this forum how many problems we have with our 'Zs' and those are practically new by comparison. But best of luck in the continued search.
 
It sounds to me like you certainly made the right decision with the Lotus

The Anglian car auctions website are where I spend my lunch breaks, the estimates are almost always spot on and there are loads of cars that I want to buy, but a few of my picks from the next action are...

On the same vein as the post there is this...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1974-lotus-elite-22-501-series/

But if I was after a project car I would certainly be considering this...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1973-jensen-healey-mki/

If I wanted to make money, (these have already started rising and I think they are about to sky rocket), this ...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1973-porsche-914/

and although there seem to be quite a few for sale in Holland already I could quite possibly drive away in this...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1973-datsun-240z-lhd/

But no matter what I would never buy this lol...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1984-quantum-mk-2/

Best of luck :)
 
ShaunKC said:
It sounds to me like you certainly made the right decision with the Lotus

The Anglian car auctions website are where I spend my lunch breaks, the estimates are almost always spot on and there are loads of cars that I want to buy, but a few of my picks from the next action are...

On the same vein as the post there is this...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1974-lotus-elite-22-501-series/

But if I was after a project car I would certainly be considering this...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1973-jensen-healey-mki/

If I wanted to make money, (these have already started rising and I think they are about to sky rocket), this ...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1973-porsche-914/

and although there seem to be quite a few for sale in Holland already I could quite possibly drive away in this...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1973-datsun-240z-lhd/

But no matter what I would never buy this lol...
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1984-quantum-mk-2/

Best of luck :)

Thx Shaun, also for your willingness to scope that offtheroad example. Did you ever find it back?
No more Lotus shennanigans for me I think. Theyre just too unreliable/problematic to be a viable project car.
The 914 is something that crossed me radar once or twice and I've also heard rumours of values increasing. A few for sale over here at the mo.
*strokes chin*
:wink:

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/saturday-15th-june-2019/1984-quantum-mk-2/
Should be on BarryBoys
:lol:
 
Why not come back to the UK and buy a relatively good Chimaera for £12-15k. I had a Chim500. It was in a terrible state. I spent £3k on it, then sold it on because I had a new baby but the new owner spent a other £2k and it was great. (I got it for free, and sold it for £9k so did pretty well on it)

Different, fun, powerful, easy to work on enough troubles to keep you on your toes :)
 
greg81 said:
Why not come back to the UK and buy a relatively good Chimaera for £12-15k. I had a Chim500. It was in a terrible state. I spent £3k on it, then sold it on because I had a new baby but the new owner spent a other £2k and it was great. (I got it for free, and sold it for £9k so did pretty well on it)

Different, fun, powerful, easy to work on enough troubles to keep you on your toes :)
Yeah thx for suggesting, TVR's def on the radar and there's a few specialists over here to help with stuff i couldnt tackle. All the sub 10k cheap ones are usually rotten however.
No problem nipping back over to the UK anytime, it's like catching a bus for me but I'm based mainly over here at the mo.
:thumbsup:
 
Mine definitely wasn't rotten when I sold it but needed a bit of love.

In all honesty I can't speak for the market nowadays (I sold up 5 years ago) but then you would get a good 400 for circa £15k
 
What about a Toyota MR2 mk2 Chris, ultra reliable, tonnes of fun to drive, great sound track, stunning looks. go for post 94 versions and get safe handling.
They are starting to climb in value too
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1994-TOYOTA-MR2-GT-ONLY-87K-FSH/264333280781?hash=item3d8b7dc60d:g:EHkAAOSwWwVc0J3u
 
firebobby said:
What about a Toyota MR2 mk2 Chris, ultra reliable, tonnes of fun to drive, great sound track, stunning looks. go for post 94 versions and get safe handling.
They are starting to climb in value too
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1994-TOYOTA-MR2-GT-ONLY-87K-FSH/264333280781?hash=item3d8b7dc60d:g:EHkAAOSwWwVc0J3u
You had one didnt you Fred?
I remember seeing photos from either you or another member.
It’s sadly tainted and considered a bit of a chav car over here in NL, a bit like my old E36 coupe. You usually see them being driven by a particular sort of person, usually adorned in gold chains with tattoos with a penchant for being uneccessarily aggressive towards other road users.
One of the reasons I would experience no end of aggro from truckers I think.
Facing much the same sort of thing in the zed sadly. :roll:
Thanks for the suggestion, its a decent choice but I think I’ll keeep it off the list for now.
 
Still got it Chris, there are a few "Chav" versions on roads still, but plenty getting broken. My one is original factory spec and becoming rarer these days.
 
Marlon said:
Come on Fred - surely this warrants a photo of your P&J . . . .

I have put it on here before Collin, but as you asked so nicely
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Taken at Gaydon, waiting for the Practical classics team to arrive
 
Lovely Fred - especially in red! :thumbsup:

I actually trawled loads of adverts for these before I bought a Z4, but then my budget changed. :roll:

I'd still like one though - they just look so right!
 
Mr Tidy said:
Lovely Fred - especially in red! :thumbsup:

I actually trawled loads of adverts for these before I bought a Z4, but then my budget changed. :roll:

I'd still like one though - they just look so right!

Cheers Iain
It does need a bit of body work, but still pretty sound.
Now's the time to buy, the prices are starting to rise.
 
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