SMG Problem.

jimbo1958

Lifer
Romancing Your Mum
Got in the car after work and I can't select any gears forward or reverse.
After about 30 seconds the "N" on the cluster changes to "FN" and the SMG warning light comes on. Also the car won't rev. It also feels like its engaging/disengaging at 2 to 3 second intervals with a hammering noise coming from the diff area.
The previous owner had the pump replaced under warranty a few years ago so maybe it's not that.
Had to leave the car at work and will contact my Warranty Co.
Car is covered by "BMW Insured Warranty". Anyone had experience of?
Really p****d off. The hour and a half bus journey home through North London didn't help. :x
Will update tomrrow.

******UPDATE******

Day 1 7/4/11- Called BMW Warranty, vehicle broke down, gearbox problem. Sent out Service Engineer followed by recovery vehicle who took vehicle to Stephen James of Enfield.

Day 2 8/4/11

Day 3 9/4/11

Day 4 10/4/11

Day 5 11/4/11 - Stephen James contact me for the first time today..........by TEXT. :headbang: Informed me that they're starting work on my car tomorrow. Not happy that I never received a call on Day 1to say they had received my car with some indication when they'd commence work.

Day 6 12/4/11 - Received a call from the Service Manager to say that they've carried out tests but would need to drop the gearbox. He suggested it could be clutch and or Flywheel at around £900 each. I asked what would be covered under warranty. He didn't know I had warranty and suggested that the repairs wouldn't be covered. :headbang: I told him he should be speaking to BMW Warranty. Also informed him that I haven't been offered a courtesy car. He'd call me tomorrow with an update.

Day 7 13/4/11

Day 8 14/4/11

Day 9 15/4/11 - It's now Friday. Surely they'll give me an update. Nothing. :thumbsdown:

Day 10 16/4/11 - Saturday morning. I'm absolutely seething. After informing me 5 days ago that I'm looking at a hefty bill and then not updating me. Seriously P****D off.
Phoned Stephen James and was informed by receptionist that the Service Manager would call me back in half an hour.
:rofl: He didn't phone as expected.
Called BMW Uk Customer Services who game me a contact number for "Complaints". Mon-Fri only. :headbang:

Day 11 17/4/11

Day 12 18/4/11 - Monday morning.Phoned customer services. They contacted Stephen James while I was on hold.The Service Manager is "off" on a course and the Technician isn't in either. You couldn't make this up. Was informed that Stephen James were looking into my issues. Was called a couple of hours later by another Service Manager and again by Customer Services who were both apologetical. Was told that I'd be given an update tomorrow.

Day 13 19/4/11 - Second service manager phoned as promised. No update on car as the 2 people involved with my repair are still off work but are due to return tomorrow. He did apologise,stated that this has gone on too long and they're not normally like this. Offered me a courtesy car for tomorrow which I declined. Told him that I just want to know what's wrong with the car and how much it's going to cost.
Just had a thought that it's Wednesday tomorrow, with Fri-Mon being Easter, the likelihood of me getting my car back this week I guess is slim. :thumbsdown:

Day 14 20/4/11 - First Service Manager called today. They've dropped the gearbox and the Flywheel is badly worn and requires replacing. Additionally the Slave Cylinder requires replacement. Apparently it has a sensor that threw up the original fault. Cost £2400 approx. He needed my permission to order the parts today for delivery today. I informed him of my warranty which again he said they have no record of even though I informed him of this on Day 5. :headbang:
I asked him to contact them, gave hime the warranty detail and phone number. He said he'd call me back later. :ROFL2:
No phone call later. Stephen James are really letting themselves down. I'm wondering if this is a delaying tactic with Easter coming up. :cry:

Day 15 21/4/11 - No update from Stephen James by at 14.00 so phoned them. Service Manager not in office, "I'll get him to call you back". He phoned back at about 15.45 with some good news at last. Warranty issue sorted out so I'm now on the system. They've agreed to all costs which are currently at about £3000. All I should have to pay is the £100 excess. :D
The not so good. :( New Flywheel has been fitted and gearbox is back in car. The slave cylinder has only just been delivered to them. Not a chance of installing and prepping today. No technicians working over Easter so he'll update me on Tuesday. :headbang:

Day 16 22/4/11

Day 17 23/4/11

Day 18 24/4/11

Day 19 25/4/11

Day 20 26/4/11 As I expected, no phone call, no car. Will be phoning them in the morning. 3 weeks they've had the car tomorrow. :(

Day 21 27/4/11 I phoned Stephen James at 10.30 to be told Service Manager 1 isn't in but they'd get Service Manager 2 to phone me as soon as he's finished with a customer. 1 hour later no return call so phoned them again and was told the same story, He'll phone when he's finished with a customer. Half hour later still no call. :headbang:
Got straight onto Customer Services again who I previously contacted on 18/4/11. They took down details and updated my notes and said they'd get straight onto Stephen James. 20 mins later and Service Manager 1 phoned to say he was back from a test drive, just about to get it valeted and I can pick it up. :D
Told him I didn't want it washed. He said that was okay but it was very dusty.
Went to collect and my car was outside waiting. Looked like it had been in the Sahara Desert for the past 3 weeks and had become a bird s**t magnet.
Met the Service Manager who apologised again and said it was an embarassment that it had took so long and put it down to the warranty and staffing issues.
When I came out I had the shock of my life. There valeting service is an Automatic Car Wash the same as you get in Petrol stations. :thumbsdown: :headbang:
Hate to think what it would have done to my car with that much dust on it. :(

The Good News: The car is driving great. Came home, hoovered the roof,a wash and a QD. Then off for a drive, roof down, stopped for a pint in the country and home again. Heaven. :thumbsup:

I do hope this 3 weeks to do the job was a one off. I believe in second chances so will probably use them again as they are my local dealer.
Gonna order some tyres and ditch the runflats. Asked the Service Manager how much to fit. They wouldn't do it......they only fit tyres purchased through them. :thumbsdown:
 
We have the same model of car - spec/year. I checked the manuals . The "F" indicates fault (no surprise) and the SMG warning lamp indicates, according to the PDF doc "E85 Driveline" I am reading, a "Serious Fault". :(
A quick Google showed that the Indicator light can come on if the (gearbox) oil level is low; problem with the pump; pump relay "switch"; sensor etc.
Perhaps best to get a Diagnostics check first. It seems that the pump relay "switch" (not too sure what this is exactly) can cause a problem similar to what you have. Fortunately *if* it is this - then the replacement cost is not too high.
 
"BMW insured warranty" sounds like the proper BMW/Mondial warranty to me. Pretty sure you can just call any BMW dealer and take it to them. Fingers crossed.
 
Banbury, Playalistic. Thanks for taking the time to reply guys.
The warranty is indeed BMW/Mondial. Phoned them this morn and they sent out a BMW customer services guy who couldn't do anything. He called for a recovery truck and it's now on it's way to Stephen James of Enfield.
Don't know how good the warranty is but expecting the worst. :-(
Will update when I have any news.
 
Bit of an update.
Got a text from Stephen James yesteday that they're going to start work on my car today. This is the first time anyone has contacted me. They've had the car since Thursday. Is this how companies do business now? :thumbsdown:

Had a call today to tell me that they require permission to drop the gearbox. If its clutch £900 and if flywheel requires replacing another £900. I asked if any of this is covered by my Warranty. The guy at the other end said he wasn't aware I had warranty. :headbang:
Advised him that it was brought in to them last Thursday and this was the first time anyone had spoken to me. He's gonna phone me back tomorrow once they know more.
Looks like this is going to be expensive. :(
 
To be honest this correlates with my experience of BMW dealers so far as well. Murketts were better than most though I admit.

This was the kind of thing I dreaded when I had my SMG Z4, fingers crossed it gets covered by your warranty.
 
Let's hope your warranty covers at least some of it - for reference I purchased a warranty recently for another car (Audi) as advertised by Mr Q Wilson and it appears this does cover a clutch - I would hope your bmw waranty was as robust. Can I ask what mileage your zed has jimbo1958 ?

It might also be interesting to know if the clutch / flywheel cost is significantly more expensive than a manual version. Fingers crossed for you. For what it's worth I love the SMG box and have had no issues - though my 04 only has 22k miles..
 
Taz X , jaxZ4.

An exclusion in the warranty is "brake/clutch facings". I can't find anything suggesting inclusion/exclusion of the Dual Mass Flywheel. The guy at Stephen James suggests that neither of these would be covered. As I said before he didn't know I had warranty so this is based on his own opinion/experience.
I'm not really sure if I'm the customer in this situation. Should he be talking to me or the warranty co? I guess both. I'll obviously speak to the Warranty people once I have an update.
I'm a little worried as well that this doesn't become a swap out of parts until the fault is rectified. :cry:

jaxZ4. I've covered 55,500 approx. Not sure if this about right mileage for a clutch/flywheel. Also would be interested to know if the SMG wears out the clutch quicker than a manual box.
 
jimbo1958 said:
Taz X , jaxZ4.

An exclusion in the warranty is "brake/clutch facings". I can't find anything suggesting inclusion/exclusion of the Dual Mass Flywheel. The guy at Stephen James suggests that neither of these would be covered. As I said before he didn't know I had warranty so this is based on his own opinion/experience.
I'm not really sure if I'm the customer in this situation. Should he be talking to me or the warranty co? I guess both. I'll obviously speak to the Warranty people once I have an update.
I'm a little worried as well that this doesn't become a swap out of parts until the fault is rectified. :cry:

jaxZ4. I've covered 55,500 approx. Not sure if this about right mileage for a clutch/flywheel. Also would be interested to know if the SMG wears out the clutch quicker than a manual box.
There was a similar thread on the PH M-Power forum regarding an M5 with SMG & clutch failure/judder. He managed to get the whole lot replaced. Although there are more differences than similarities you might have some luck if you are persistent and can prove it was down to premature failure!
 
Re warranties - on checking mine from Warranty Wise - "frictional materials of clutch plates" are sadly excluded ! thanks for update - good luck !
 
Shocking! Or at least to most people it is, to the rest of us, this is how BMW franchises seems to operate :cry:

Only one I've ever used that was anywhere near the kind of service that I consider passable was Murketts. Hopefully you'll hear back soon with something positive!
 
playalistic said:
Shocking! Or at least to most people it is, to the rest of us, this is how BMW franchises seems to operate :cry:

Only one I've ever used that was anywhere near the kind of service that I consider passable was Murketts. Hopefully you'll hear back soon with something positive!

Cheers for replying.

Would I have been treated the same if I was the owner of a 3 months old "7 Series"? I think not.
Although they'd deny it, I'm pretty sure there's a tiered level of service in play here. Shouldn't be and hope there isn't but I'm guessing there is.
 
certainly sounds bad... two weeks is just too long especially as they don't seem to know what the problem is :(

hope you get it sorted soon :driving:
 
Ouch - that sounds painful/expensive- especially if clutch is not covered -wonder if that extends to flywheel etc.

Be interesting to hear if BMW claim that wear is normal after only 55,000 miles or if any preventive maintenance could have been done - sorry if that sounds selfish - as I only have 22,000 miles on my 04. As I've said before I love the SMG box but do have slight concerns over what conditons and/or driving techniques can accelerate wear, eg hill starts or high rev shifting.

Agan our fingers are crossed for you - good luck and thanks for the updates ! Why don't you take the courtesy car offered - at least they will want it back asap. Oddly mine was originally purchased from Stephen James (not by me).
 
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