Should I get a Z4

I own a 3.0, manual and had a 3.2 Boxster S for a couple of years from new.

When I purchased the Z4 I had no idea how good it was, it has exceeded my expectations. IMO it is not as precise in terms of handling and steering as the Boxster but the difference is quite marginal in day to day driving. My choice was either an older Boxster with a high mileage or a newer Z4 with a lower mileage. In the end I thought I would have something different and also something that won't cripple me financially if there is a major problem. My Boxster was pretty reliable, I did 0 - about 36,000 miles and didn't experience any major problems. I agree with others, anybody that says the Boxster and especially the S isn't a proper Porsche knows nothing about cars. It's a bit off topic but the Boxster has a much better setup being mid engined and goes back to the roots of Porsche with the 550. I think people came up with this silly idea because of the first 200BHP Boxster that was much cheaper than a 911 and not that powerful. Things really changed when the S model was launched, bearing in mind it shares a lot of components with the 911.

I can't comment on the S2000 but I would say that from a financial point of view the Z4 wins hands down, in terms of fun you will not notice a huge difference between the Boxster and Z4

As a final note, I had the 2008 Boxster S & 2008 Cayman S (both 295BHP) for road testing / reviewing purposes a few months ago. Both for 24 hours and I really drove them if you know what I mean :D . They were both brilliant to drive but costed over 70k euros each. My 03 Z4 costed a fraction of that, has approx 60 BHP less and I am not having any less fun with it.

As others have said, test drive all three, list the really important things to you and go with the one that ticks the most boxes. You'll have fun no matter what happens!!! Good luck : )
 
A real good reason why I love this Forum,,, honest opinons without being overly pro-BMW! This forum seems to be more of a driver's forum, rather than strictly Z4. Kudo's to the well thought out repsonses :thumbsup:
 
bras0782 said:
timcullen said:
I've owned all 3!
Lucky sod!! :wink:

timcullen said:
I've had a 3.0 Z4 for about 8 weeks now and love it, great engine and fuel economy (how do they do that) and a design thats really been thought about with some great features although I do find the traction control/dsc a bit too intrusive and stops me having fun!
What was fuel economy like on the S2000 and Boxter? I don't think my Z4 is particulary economic but it's all relative I suppose.

You can always disable the DSC and traction. I haven't tried it but I'm an amateur.

I used to get no more than 21mpg out of the Boxsters the Honda was about 26mpg my Z always manages between 29 and 32 mpg which I think is great!
Is it possable to completely turn off all driver aids?
 
Just watch out for the boxsters without porsche extended warranty. I loved my s2000, I did lots of track days and lots of drives for the hell of it. They have very direct steering but a backend thats a bit slow reacting. Problem with the s2000 now is that its in the very higest tax band and they cost a load to insurance due to their tricky nature. Also you have to be very weary buying a s2k also because quite of few of them have been involved in accidents because of the aforesaid tricky nature, so make sure you get the one your buying properly checked out.
 
JoelGoldstein.com, welcome to the forum... :thumbsup:
Drive all the cars you are interested in and see which one you like the best and best suits your needs.
One word of caution about the S2000 is the insurance cost in the US. It is very high when I checked some years ago and in fact was more expensive than my Z4. The insurance for the Boxster was also more that the Z4 but still not as much as the S2000.
 
WLH said:
One word of caution about the S2000 is the insurance cost in the US. It is very high when I checked some years ago and in fact was more expensive that my Z4. The insurance for the Boxster was also more that the Z4 but still not as much as the S2000.
Same here, S2000 insurance is astronomical, a lot more than even a Z4M.

Tells you something about how many get repaired or written off after entering a hedge backwards.
 
Z4 3.0 and Boxster are group 19 (coupe might even be 18), S2000 and Z4M are group 20 which is the highest. Different models may be in lower groups
 
timcullen said:
Is it possable to completely turn off all driver aids?
In terms of traction and stability control, I believe so. It's done by holding the DSC button down until a yellow warning triangle with an arrow around it illuminates in the instrument cluster. I'm not sure if it turns ABS off.

If you don't fancy full removal of the safety net, then just press the DSC button once and a DTC indicator will illuminate in the dash, which allows more wheelspin at lower speeds before calling a day to the fun.
 
Wow..... You guys are nuts! I expected 2-3 posts....

Well after the options are considered I can't deny the appeal of the cost to value of the BMW.

What should i look for when getting one? I am going to look this week at all 3.0's and I know to get the automatic roof.
 
Obviously try and get something with low miles / cheap price / loads of extra options...

...but you will probably be better finding some examples on the internet / Autotrader and then getting comment on them individually :thumbsup:
 
S2000 rice boiler, no style just go, and boxster drivers are only for people that want a 911, but can't afford one. The Z4 is the best chocie :thumbsup:
 
JoelGoldstein.com said:
Wow..... You guys are nuts! I expected 2-3 posts....


To be honest I'm surprised no one has hi-jacked this thread yet. Reckon we can be "sane" every now an then.

That's why I love this feeling, no overly biased posts and good discussion in most threads.

I wonder if there is any "real-world" difference between the three cars..... :tumbleweed:
 
BMW_Z4_Norway said:
S2000 rice boiler, no style just go, and boxster drivers are only for people that want a 911, but can't afford one. The Z4 is the best chocie :thumbsup:

Erm.

On the whole its pretty impressive that the people in this topic are so impartial and full of praise for other models. A LOT better than some of the posts i read on other forums.
 
BMW_Z4_Norway said:
S2000 rice boiler, no style just go, and boxster drivers are only for people that want a 911, but can't afford one. The Z4 is the best chocie :thumbsup:

Umm Ok! :? Glad you like the Z4 though :|
 
Seriously, i am a massive porsche fan and always wanted a boxster (a part of me still does from time to time until i drive the z) but for what you got for your money wasnt anywhere near what you get with the Z4, for the same price i would have had to get one about 3 years older than the Z, some of the early ones dont come with aircon, and the interiors look so dated.

I was also put off by many of the ones for sale having had new engines, as i also knew the early cars suffered from oil seal issues ?....the Z4 is awesome, had mien almost a year, which is a long time for me, and i dont regret it one bit.

Find one with all the extras you want like i did, and you wont look back! :thumbsup:
 
Why do people make comments like "people only get Boxsters because they can't afford a 911"? What a stupid thing to say. Of course anyone would take a 911 over a Boxster of the same age. That doesn't make the Boxster a poor car. :headbang:

I've never owned one so am not biased. I did consider it but I preferred the looks and better value-for-money in the Z4.

I own a 53 plate Z4 which I bought earlier this year. I would have prefered the facelift or even the coupe but couldn't afford them. How is that any different to the Boxster vs 911 argument. Silly :thumbsdown:
 
BMW_Z4_Norway said:
S2000 rice boiler, no style just go, and boxster drivers are only for people that want a 911, but can't afford one. The Z4 is the best chocie :thumbsup:
:headbang: I hope there was a good deal of exaggeration there...

I'll not go off on another rant about the Boxster (see my first post on this thread), but I have to say something in defence of the S2000. I'd agree that it's not as flash as the Germanic rivals, and the interior is plain (although the digital tacho is pretty cool). However, it's still a well executed design and probably the most driver focused roadster on the market. An Evo is just go, an S2000 is a balance between show and go (and price).

easty027 said:
Seriously, i am a massive porsche fan and always wanted a boxster (a part of me still does from time to time until i drive the z) but for what you got for your money wasnt anywhere near what you get with the Z4, for the same price i would have had to get one about 3 years older than the Z, some of the early ones dont come with aircon, and the interiors look so dated.

I was also put off by many of the ones for sale having had new engines, as i also knew the early cars suffered from oil seal issues ?
I had similar feelings when I was considering a Boxster before getting my Z4; the extra cost wasn't justified. A Boxster of comparable age and mileage was about 15% more expensive, but to get one that wasn't poverty spec it'd be more like 30% higher, and the running costs are higher. I'd disagree on the interior; I actually prefer the 986 interior to the 987, which I feel is too plain to be in a sports car. But this again comes down to spec; a full Boxster Red leather dash looks amazing, but a black plastic one with no toys and loads of blank buttons looks boring.

Regarding oil leaks / engine issues; the oil leak stories generally refer to rear main seal (RMS) leaks, and it wasn't just on early cars (it definately happened on post-facelift cars). Apparently it's pretty random in occurance but I'm not sure how critical it is. I've not heard of any catastrophic leaks (rather than drips) and I know some owners, who didn't have warranty or goodwill from Porsche GB, just bought a drip tray and waited until the clutch needed doing to swap the RMS (they're both engine out jobs). I don't know much about the engine issues, other than I've heard similar stories of failure due to big-end bearings going or deformation of the cylinder bore.
 
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