Self employed help from government
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Its only right & isn't like its a gift that we shouldn't receive .
A welcome relief when it does get officially announced hopefully later today .
My current contract is on a remote caravan club site in the north lakes , just myself & two groundworkers ( 300 yards away from me)
I could have gone today & not seen or spoke to anyone but i haven't , a neighbour opposite is a shuttering carpenter who forms concrete footings , currently on a job in Manchester centre , he's gone & his attitude talking to him at weekend was " i'l be going until they force me to stay away or help me out financially " i do see his point of course :wink:
A welcome relief when it does get officially announced hopefully later today .
My current contract is on a remote caravan club site in the north lakes , just myself & two groundworkers ( 300 yards away from me)
I could have gone today & not seen or spoke to anyone but i haven't , a neighbour opposite is a shuttering carpenter who forms concrete footings , currently on a job in Manchester centre , he's gone & his attitude talking to him at weekend was " i'l be going until they force me to stay away or help me out financially " i do see his point of course :wink:
Looks like this is a proposed amendment rather that part of the bill. Remains to be seen if the gov adopt it.
The issue, I believe is less about the money, and more about how to pay people. The gov machine is set up to collect money at scale from individuals, not pay it out, so there isn’t the infrastructure in place for applications, processing, checking and validating and then paying these amounts.
It’s diff for business as a) mechanisms for paying businesses exist (vat rebates) and b) the volume of payments are much smaller (you pay 1 business instead of 200 staff).
I suspect there will be an announcement on support once they figure out how the hell the process and pay the self employed (which I am one of).
The issue, I believe is less about the money, and more about how to pay people. The gov machine is set up to collect money at scale from individuals, not pay it out, so there isn’t the infrastructure in place for applications, processing, checking and validating and then paying these amounts.
It’s diff for business as a) mechanisms for paying businesses exist (vat rebates) and b) the volume of payments are much smaller (you pay 1 business instead of 200 staff).
I suspect there will be an announcement on support once they figure out how the hell the process and pay the self employed (which I am one of).
Just spoke to our accountant, nothing officially sent out yet.. apart from tax due on account in July is deferred until Jan 2021. What will be the question, though, is that the july tax on account payment, be added to the normal payment in January... most probably.
Also, there’s loads of self employed who do cash jobs, cabbies, window cleaners are notorious... I’m not saying it’s wrong, but If they, and their like, haven’t declared their full income over the last 3 years, then they’ve shot themselves in the foot.but only for the short term. I moan about card machine rental costs and percentages on payments, especially credit cards....but I’ll be glad if it’s based on 80% of net income...it’ll save our business, but it’s what we are due anyway!
Also, there’s loads of self employed who do cash jobs, cabbies, window cleaners are notorious... I’m not saying it’s wrong, but If they, and their like, haven’t declared their full income over the last 3 years, then they’ve shot themselves in the foot.but only for the short term. I moan about card machine rental costs and percentages on payments, especially credit cards....but I’ll be glad if it’s based on 80% of net income...it’ll save our business, but it’s what we are due anyway!
john-e89 said:
That still isn’t right, dude. You’ve paid into the system to where you’ve got to now... there’s a woman who rents a flat above our premises in work... 2 holidays a year, always in the pub... gets loads of home deliveries and hasn’t worked in years. She said she’s registered as epileptic, but hasn’t had an episode in 10 years. She smokes 20fags a day, has gatherings in the garden with tinnies and vodka throughout the summer... She gets more in dodgy benefits than I will in this crises by 5x the amount... free rent, bills.the sodding lot..and I’ve never had a sick day in 35years...
The system needs to change, dude. It’s the systems fault mate, not ours. If the system allows them to collect free money, then of course they’ll go for it.
:x1000rr said:john-e89 said:
That still isn’t right, dude. You’ve paid into the system to where you’ve got to now... there’s a woman who rents a flat above our premises in work... 2 holidays a year, always in the pub... gets loads of home deliveries and hasn’t worked in years. She said she’s registered as epileptic, but hasn’t had an episode in 10 years. She smokes 20fags a day, has gatherings in the garden with tinnies and vodka throughout the summer... She gets more in dodgy benefits than I will in this crises by 5x the amount... free rent, bills.the sodding lot..and I’ve never had a sick day in 35years...
The system needs to change, dude. It’s the systems fault mate, not ours. If the system allows them to collect free money, then of course they’ll go for it.
Yeah I agree 100%, the reason I posted really. I’ve never had a bean from the state apart from having to sign on for 6 months to qualify for the now defunct manpower’s self employment scheme in the 80’s, i was still working but HAD to sign on for the scheme, not because I wanted to. Apart from that nothing but paying in my dues so yes you’re quite right. 4 years off after being wrongly diagnosed then a complication in the op is a bit of a kick in the teeth when you get the scroungers you’ve described but nothing I can do, they pretty much laughed at me when I enquired a few years ago..!
My situation is odd.
Full time and permanent in 3 roles up until June last year.
Then In August 2019, I decided to go interim and worked for 6 months as a contractor/freelance, outside IR35. The contract ended this January. I haven't worked since but I did have interviews lined up recently, that are now down the pan.
So I haven't self-employed accounts for 3 years. I doubt I'd get anything.
Full time and permanent in 3 roles up until June last year.
Then In August 2019, I decided to go interim and worked for 6 months as a contractor/freelance, outside IR35. The contract ended this January. I haven't worked since but I did have interviews lined up recently, that are now down the pan.
So I haven't self-employed accounts for 3 years. I doubt I'd get anything.
AnilS, you can always try.
Our business pays for 2 mortgages, staff, rates on the business and at home, 3 lots of utility bills, one each for me and my business partner and one for work.. liability insurances, rubbish removal... the list goes on. We are insured to the hilt, business insurance, business interruption ... and guess what? They don’t cover pandemics so, we will be renewing policy to contents and building cover only, and the liabilities.. no point in having any other miscellaneous cover, as it’s not witty the paper it’s written on. £200 a mth for 13 years we’ve been paying, and never made a claim, and we can’t now.
We used to rent the business property, but ended up buying it .. our home properties where used for security.
If all we get is £90 odd quid a week, then we are fooked. We have savings in the business account, just in case. It will see us through for a round 4 months, but that is for bills, and pre profit wages.
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Our business pays for 2 mortgages, staff, rates on the business and at home, 3 lots of utility bills, one each for me and my business partner and one for work.. liability insurances, rubbish removal... the list goes on. We are insured to the hilt, business insurance, business interruption ... and guess what? They don’t cover pandemics
so, we will be renewing policy to contents and building cover only, and the liabilities.. no point in having any other miscellaneous cover, as it’s not witty the paper it’s written on. £200 a mth for 13 years we’ve been paying, and never made a claim, and we can’t now. We used to rent the business property, but ended up buying it .. our home properties where used for security.
If all we get is £90 odd quid a week, then we are fooked. We have savings in the business account, just in case. It will see us through for a round 4 months, but that is for bills, and pre profit wages.
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Very very true,if its offered some will take advantage.1000rr said:john-e89 said:
That still isn’t right, dude. You’ve paid into the system to where you’ve got to now... there’s a woman who rents a flat above our premises in work... 2 holidays a year, always in the pub... gets loads of home deliveries and hasn’t worked in years. She said she’s registered as epileptic, but hasn’t had an episode in 10 years. She smokes 20fags a day, has gatherings in the garden with tinnies and vodka throughout the summer... She gets more in dodgy benefits than I will in this crises by 5x the amount... free rent, bills.the sodding lot..and I’ve never had a sick day in 35years...
The system needs to change, dude. It’s the systems fault mate, not ours. If the system allows them to collect free money, then of course they’ll go for it.
If its not offered then other provisions they will have to make ,like for example Working for a living.
Most people could do something that would add value but too many do jack s**t,sorry rant over
I work (worked) in the cruise line industry for an American company and have lost thousands from a cancelled 4 month contract. My pay was routed through the Jersey banking system in pound sterling . I have no idea where I stand with all this . Can't find any info at all .
Will be watching this closely , when first announced they were intending to help the self employed i wrongly assumed it would be rolled out in a similar fashion to the employed but the longer its taken & the more snippets you read my guess is its likely to sound great but actually only be of use to a minimal number who can meet a stricter criteria than applied to direct labour :wink: grossly unfair if that's the case but let's wait & see .AnilS said:Announcement of help tomorrow for the self employed.
Ive been a tory since leaving school under Thatcher & i was a big Boris fan but i'm not a mug & if things aren't played straight then the government can have no real argument should the self employed who feel aggrieved return to their line of work & earn what funds they deem necessary to get through
Well id have to say the governments arm seems to have gone around a majority of self employed 
ok he laced it with a sour touch by saying that once its all over the self employed will have to give up the usual "benefits" of what they claim back :wink: we will see 
Hope the other forum members looking for assistance qualify under the scheme & above all hope the return to work is sooner than later but for now i'm seeing it as being paid by the government to stay home - stay safe & do the gardening , walk the dogs , some diy & polish the cars
ok he laced it with a sour touch by saying that once its all over the self employed will have to give up the usual "benefits" of what they claim back :wink: we will see Hope the other forum members looking for assistance qualify under the scheme & above all hope the return to work is sooner than later but for now i'm seeing it as being paid by the government to stay home - stay safe & do the gardening , walk the dogs , some diy & polish the cars
The business secretary made a bit of a hash of it this morning when asked when someone has a 60k profit, they get nothing, if they earned 50k they get support.
The argument he made was that someone making a 60k profit would have had a turnover of 200k. Now what has that got to do with anything.
The question was clear - if someone has no income at all now, why does the former turnover matter.
The argument he made was that someone making a 60k profit would have had a turnover of 200k. Now what has that got to do with anything.
The question was clear - if someone has no income at all now, why does the former turnover matter.