Scrapage Scheme Madness
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Will be an even bigger scheme soon enough to kick-start the move to EV's for folk that cannot afford them.
ICE cars will only be driven by eccentric multimillionaires in 15 years time.
Also low emission zones will soon mean you cannot drive these old cars anywhere either than small towns.
The graveyard is only going to grow larger.
ICE cars will only be driven by eccentric multimillionaires in 15 years time.
Also low emission zones will soon mean you cannot drive these old cars anywhere either than small towns.
The graveyard is only going to grow larger.
I can’t see the date for EV sales of new cars only after 2030 staying at that date. There will not be the infrastructure in place and with the cost and demand pressures on electricity rising.
The date will be put back till I for one will be too old to drive an EV anyway. I may consider a hybrid if BMW design a hybrid Z4
The date will be put back till I for one will be too old to drive an EV anyway. I may consider a hybrid if BMW design a hybrid Z4
I would hate to see a future video revisiting the site and a line of Z4's sitting there! At the moment I feel there are too many question marks hanging over EV's, they will need a cheap source of electricity to become successful (and cheap batteries) and thats something we don't have at present. After watching a couple of programmes on the charging infrastructure and the mining of cobalt, maybe the motoring future will be reserved for the rich, while the rest of us will possibly regress to walking, cycling or owning a horse and cart! My cart of course will have a Z4 badge on the back 
Nanu said:I can’t see the date for EV sales of new cars only after 2030 staying at that date. There will not be the infrastructure in place and with the cost and demand pressures on electricity rising.
The date will be put back till I for one will be too old to drive an EV anyway. I may consider a hybrid if BMW design a hybrid Z4
I can see it being brought forward if anything.
They have just hit the oil industry with a windfall tax. Zero incentive for investment into new projects. They will invest into renewables instead. Supply of oil is only going to get worse over time not better.
That means increases in oil price and therefore fuel over time and it's already expensive.
They are investing in the infrastructure now because of the current crisis. New nuclear plants. Plenty of investment into wind turbines. Lot of people now buying solar due to the increase in leccy bills. There is already grants for home chargers £600-£800 off. The only people who are going to have issues is those who don't live in a house with a ground floor. Flats/apartments. They will need to use public chargers or portable chargers.
If you are talking highway infrastructure. Everyone I know that owns an ev has had zero issues getting their vehicle charged and range is now so good you don't need to charge it even on long journeys. You can get 300 miles easy on a lot of the new gen cars and some of them can charge to 75-90% within 30-45 mins. Which is the time you normally stop at a service station for a toilet and food/drink break. Gone are the days of waiting 4-6 hours to charge. Gone are the days of 90 mile range.
All of the issues are being ironed out and by 2030 it will be a perfectly oiled machine, you will have 500 mile range and 30 minutes to charge to 90%.
Look at the Hyundai ioniq latest gen. Perfect example of what is available and prices should be much more affordable by 2030.
That means ev cars are going to be cheaper to run by quite some margin within 5 years.
Our Lexus is a hybrid absolutely brilliant cars but they will only bridge the gap over the next decade. It's why we got it. I don't plan on buying anything but an ev next. The Lexus and the Z4 will be our last cars that consume oil.
Zed Baron said:I would hate to see a future video revisiting the site and a line of Z4's sitting there! At the moment I feel there are too many question marks hanging over EV's, they will need a cheap source of electricity to become successful (and cheap batteries) and thats something we don't have at present. After watching a couple of programmes on the charging infrastructure and the mining of cobalt, maybe the motoring future will be reserved for the rich, while the rest of us will possibly regress to walking, cycling or owning a horse and cart! My cart of course will have a Z4 badge on the back
Do you tend to go to a petrol station on a daily basis and fill with petrol?
Because ev cars won't need filled up daily either and majority will be able to charge from home for 99% of journeys
The zed probably gets filled with petrol once a month (its a third car, hardly gets used) Charging is all very good if you have a nice drive to park on, what if you have a household with multiple vehicles? what if you park in the street, are you going to be running cable over the pavement? what if someone parks outside your house and you need to charge? what if you live in a block of flats?SonnyA85 said:
Problem from my perspective is infrastructure…
Currently approaching 33 Million cars registered on the Uk roads of which, only 420,000 were purely electric at the end of Feb 2022.
Only 18.6% of new car sales in 2021 were purely electric.
It’s all very well saying oil is bad and we must move to electric, but the environmental damage caused by mining the elements required for electric cars (as they are currently made) is horrific.
How is the national grid going to cope with supplying sufficient electricity to charge over 30 million electric cars every few days?? And how much damage will be done to the environment to make these cars.
That’s before we get to the issues of people who live in flats, and everyone being able to access a charging point…
I’m old enough to remember regular power cuts, time to start buying candles as buying batteries for torches could get very expensive!
Electricity will become the new oil
At some point, hopefully not in our lifetimes the ‘golden age’ of personal motoring will die, one way or another…. Get out and enjoy those Z4’s while you still can
Currently approaching 33 Million cars registered on the Uk roads of which, only 420,000 were purely electric at the end of Feb 2022.
Only 18.6% of new car sales in 2021 were purely electric.
It’s all very well saying oil is bad and we must move to electric, but the environmental damage caused by mining the elements required for electric cars (as they are currently made) is horrific.
How is the national grid going to cope with supplying sufficient electricity to charge over 30 million electric cars every few days?? And how much damage will be done to the environment to make these cars.
That’s before we get to the issues of people who live in flats, and everyone being able to access a charging point…
I’m old enough to remember regular power cuts, time to start buying candles as buying batteries for torches could get very expensive!
Electricity will become the new oil
At some point, hopefully not in our lifetimes the ‘golden age’ of personal motoring will die, one way or another…. Get out and enjoy those Z4’s while you still can
Keep seeing the argument that the charge time of 30-45 minutes is what you would spend on a toilet food break at a service station, however you don't always need a toilet or food break.
The other point to consider is the amount of cars ahead of you waiting to use the chargers available. It's minutes wait at a petrol station in such a case, potentially hours at a busy charging station.
The other point to consider is the amount of cars ahead of you waiting to use the chargers available. It's minutes wait at a petrol station in such a case, potentially hours at a busy charging station.
Just keep spending the kids inheritance on petrol and enjoy them whilst you can 
Or there is always hydrogen powered cars. Not everyone can or wants to pay for new cars or get into the ppc hp rent cycle. Me I have perfectly good low mileage cars bought for less than £6000.00 with cash, no worries about monthly payments. There are many like me judging by the 10 year old cars I see around me. Yes ev are better for the city environment but not for these poor sods in poor countries digging out the stuff to make batteries.
Scubaregs said:
So you can drive 300-400 miles and not need a toilet or food and drink break?
It would be good to take a break just from the driving when you are covering that type of distance.
You can now drive from London to Glasgow on the majority of modern ev's with some needing a 15 minute top up on such a distance.
Older ones yeah have issues. But that shows how much the tecnis improving on a yearly basis.
I imagine a breakthrough in tech and even sunroofs made of solar panels and you will see that you will only need to charge the car once per month for the average driver.
So someone who lives in a flat will have to for an hour once per month park up somewhere and charge their car.
If only there was these places called shops people tend to go to regularly for an hour or so every few days.
Charging points will eventually be installed in every bay in every car park.
Portable charging is already a thing. Whoever mentioned trailing wires across a street or road. There is no need. You charge a battery. Roll it to your car. Then the battery charges your car battery.
You would have a communal battery pack or two for a block of flats.
Elon is planning for life on Mars so I'm pretty sure he will overcome these minor issues with ease.
