As someone else said the difference between 50 and 80 is hardly going to slash drink driving deaths. The cynic in me says it's all about the Scottish government going out of its way to be different from the rest of the UK.
Scotland Drink Drive
- Thread starter ronk
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2012 in Scotland there were 174 deaths on the roads, 20 of those involved drivers over the limit and the majority of those were over 120mg. In all injury accidents motorists were breathalysed and only 3% were positive. This is about catching people who have had one drink (who are still perfectly capable of driving) and catching people the next morning.
It is a revenue raising scheme cloaked as road safety.
It is a revenue raising scheme cloaked as road safety.
You say all this about drinking several times a week and never driving if you are going to have a drink, but what about the next day going to work, do you drive to work?ESP said:
If you do you could quite possibly be over the limit depending on what you had to drink the previous night and when you had your last drink.
If the rule of thumb is 12 hours from your last drink and you leave for work at 7am, your last drink has to be 7pm. Whats the point of drinking in the first place?
I very rarely drink at all but it has always worried me that the next day I could be over the limit so never drink when I know I will be driving the next day.
I think its definately time for a lot of people to change their habits as it just isnt worth it.
How strange that the act of "holding" a phone can make your reaction time worse than being high on cannabis :lol:
Still, it's there in black and white. So it must be true. Fact.
I suppose the lesson learned from the above picture is that all phones are deadly. And must be banned immediately. Or better still - zero tolerance. Compulsory jail time for anyone crazy enough to hold a phone.
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Still, it's there in black and white. So it must be true. Fact.
I suppose the lesson learned from the above picture is that all phones are deadly. And must be banned immediately. Or better still - zero tolerance. Compulsory jail time for anyone crazy enough to hold a phone.
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interesting comments on this, Zero tolerance is a good thing. whatever the limit no matter what it is should be upheld. if your over your over end of. Zero in your blood stream is complete shite. what about thos people who are are certain drugs that will manifest themselves as alcohol in their system? a sensible limit i needed.
there also seems to be a huge misunderstanding not just here of what is safe/not. a glass with dinner... a pint how about 2/3pt of craft 8%? .... Everyone is different but not by a huge amount.
the law is
In England and Wales, the alcohol limit for drivers is 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 35 microgrammes per 100 millilitres of breath or 107 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of urine.
In most other European countries, the limit is less, usually 50 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of blood
a unit of alcohol is 10ml of pure alcohol (100%) which takes ~ 1hr for an AVERAGE adult to process. the ABV of your drink states the amount of pure alcohol. so 13%ABV means a measure is 13% so roughly speaking 77ml (small glass is 125) is 1 unit.
so you can see it doesnt take much to get there. the question is if you have 1 glass of 13% wine at 8pm with dinner why should you not be able to drive for over 24hrs?
im not condoning drink driving in any way but zero limits and 24hr bans .... are frankly stupid and totally unenforceable. it has also been proven that driving tired is bad so are you also going to say you cant drive if youve not had 8 hrs sleep one night?
there also seems to be a huge misunderstanding not just here of what is safe/not. a glass with dinner... a pint how about 2/3pt of craft 8%? .... Everyone is different but not by a huge amount.
the law is
In England and Wales, the alcohol limit for drivers is 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 35 microgrammes per 100 millilitres of breath or 107 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of urine.
In most other European countries, the limit is less, usually 50 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of blood
a unit of alcohol is 10ml of pure alcohol (100%) which takes ~ 1hr for an AVERAGE adult to process. the ABV of your drink states the amount of pure alcohol. so 13%ABV means a measure is 13% so roughly speaking 77ml (small glass is 125) is 1 unit.
so you can see it doesnt take much to get there. the question is if you have 1 glass of 13% wine at 8pm with dinner why should you not be able to drive for over 24hrs?
im not condoning drink driving in any way but zero limits and 24hr bans .... are frankly stupid and totally unenforceable. it has also been proven that driving tired is bad so are you also going to say you cant drive if youve not had 8 hrs sleep one night?
Good post^^^^ 
The lower limit has been described as Zero Tolerance with some room for medications .....
ie there are some pills out there that will give you a positive reading.
The advice is ...... do not drink and drive at all.
The issue was already raised, banned in a Scottish court is banned in the UK, that's what we get for not getting Independence
and Scottish traffic justice is a lot tougher than English .......
I'm used to stuff like this after 4 years of being in Norway - basically if you go out on the lash in the evening, you get a taxi to work the next day.
ie there are some pills out there that will give you a positive reading.
The advice is ...... do not drink and drive at all.
The issue was already raised, banned in a Scottish court is banned in the UK, that's what we get for not getting Independence
and Scottish traffic justice is a lot tougher than English .......
I'm used to stuff like this after 4 years of being in Norway - basically if you go out on the lash in the evening, you get a taxi to work the next day.
I have bought an alcosense elite handheld device from halfords (£59.99) mainly to use as an indication the next day, its very accurate and has some excellent reviews.
I like driving too much to risk drink driving and loosing my licence, i could also never live with myslef if i killed someone whilst drink driving too!
I dont think the new 0.5 limit scotland has would make much of a difference here in the uk, but i think its still a good idea and may help prevent a few more people risking it!
I like driving too much to risk drink driving and loosing my licence, i could also never live with myslef if i killed someone whilst drink driving too!
I dont think the new 0.5 limit scotland has would make much of a difference here in the uk, but i think its still a good idea and may help prevent a few more people risking it!