Schumacher in hospital in serious condition

Just seen this in the news.

Hope he has a speedy recovery.

Ironic how he day to day job is pretty risky by most peoples standard... But then this happens to him in something as mundane as skiiing.... I have gone to maribel atleast 4-5 times and never wore a helmet... But then i dont get much speed on my snowboard.


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Just seen this has been added to the article on the BBC Website

The BBC said:
Reports in French and German media say that the F1 legend underwent a second operation during the night.
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PerryGunn said:
Just seen this has been added to the article on the BBC Website

The BBC said:
Reports in French and German media say that the F1 legend underwent a second operation during the night.
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This was refuted in the press conference.
 
aquazi said:
Just seen this in the news.

Hope he has a speedy recovery.

Ironic how he day to day job is pretty risky by most peoples standard... But then this happens to him in something as mundane as skiiing.... I have gone to maribel atleast 4-5 times and never wore a helmet... But then i dont get much speed on my snowboard.


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Bit ironic that Skiing in reality is probably as dangerous or as risky compared to modern day F1 as you simply have less body protection. When you see the level of protection in F1 cars these days considering the impact speeds its pretty astounding how drivers walk away compared to 10 years ago.

Tim.
 
DrNick said:
If he walked after accident, then deteriorated suddenly before requiring surgery then most likely he had an extradural haematoma. Spectrum of recovery broad... fingers crossed.
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I agree - the reports of an initial lucid interval would support this diagnosis. Timely decompression of an extradural haematoma carries a reasonable prognosis unless there was an associated diffuse axonal injury or subarachnoid / intracerebral haemorrhage (both of which are unlikely if there really was no immediate or enduring loss of consciousness prior to his subsequent deterioration).
Sad news and very distressing for his family.
 
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StevenH72 said:
Sad news, hope he pulls through OK.

I'm off to Les Arcs in 4 weeks and have been debating whether to get a helmet for this season. There are a lot of debates as to whether they help or not as it is argued that your perceptions are lessened and that many with helmets tend to ski in a more aggressive manner.

Regardless, sounds like the helmet could well have saved his life on this occasion! Think I'll get hold of one.
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I changed to helmet and goggles about 4 years ago from sunglasses and woolly hat.
Wouldn't ever think about going back. Head stays at a comfortable temp. You feel safe, secure "in the zone" cruising or bombing. no mess when or if you fall. No probs with frost bitten ears or too much sun on the old bonce!.
Definitely the way to go :thumbsup:
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I got mine 6 years ago when I began to ski more than one week a year - more time on the slopes increases the risk factor . I wouldn't ski without it and encourage others to do the same particularly those starting out as you take a lot of falls when you start. To be honest I don't think the counter argument follows any real logic . To be honest Michaels doctor said ths morning all we need to know he wouldn't have got this far if hadn't been wearing it.

Hope Michael makes a full recovery as soon as possible .
 
This is sad news. I hope he makes a full recovery.
I haven't skied without a helmet for a few years now. They keep the ears nice and warm too.
 
I may not have been his biggest fan whilst he was racing but a legend all the same and I hope he comes through. I hope his accident does bring awareness of this type of accident.

Skiing is risky, an adrenaline sport which is why we do it but anyone skiing/boarding without a helmet on is taking a risk too far. A crash may not kill you at low speeds granted, but all it takes is an accident at 12mph for serious brain damage to occur.
For those thinking 'well, I don't go that fast' think again. I'm a competent skier (former racer and instructor) and clocked average skiing speeds of between 40 and 50mph on my last trip, with a peak speed of 72! I broke the national speed limit on a red run!
Fair enough you say, racer/instructor etc. My friend who is a little above intermediate but not advanced, not and instructor or racer, still clocked a peak speed of nearly 60mph and averaged over 40.

I had a serious crash whilst racing which resulted in me being air lifted off the mountain. I hit the deck at over 70mph that day and cracked the helmet front to back. I went into convulsions and in the end was saved by my team mates when they limited my movement, put a ski pole in my mouth and dragged my tongue out of my throat so I wouldn't suffocate. Thankfully, I was wearing a racing helmet and didn't suffer much more than bruising on the brain with a severe concussion. I was back out and racing a week later (oh boy do I miss the recovery rates of being 20!) I wouldn't be here today without that helmet.

If you're looking to buy one, get the best that you can afford. Sweet Protection Industries and P.O.C are probably best on the market right not but Salomon, ProTec, Giro are also very good.

Remember, it isn't just you that will suffer if you have a brain injury. Your family go through it too.

Sorry to hijack a thread a little :oops: but this is something I feel very strongly about. If you're interested, have a look at http://thecrashreel.com/loveyourbrain
 
When I go skiing again in 2015, I will sure add that to the list now. Not had a helmet before, but sure will make sure the family all have one as well now.
 
2009 Natasha Richardson, fell at Mt Tremblant while on the bunny slope, died a couple of days later. She banged her head on the packed snow. Helmets, although I hate to say it, should be mandatory on all ski hills. Unfortunately for Michael he managed to bash his head into a rock at high speed. His helmet is what kept him alive to this point, lets hope the medics can keep it going.
 
My opinions / views on wearing helmets have only ever been taken from reading forum posts (snowheads) and talking to other skiers. the Schumacher incident has prompted me to do a bit of real research this morning and from what I've read there appears to be no real reason not to wear a helmet.

whilst it is true that helmets reduce an individual's ability to perceive hazards, they don't reduce their ability any more than wearing a wooly hat and goggles. Personally I'm not a bare head and sunglasses skier, so there is no reason for me not to wear a helmet on piste.

As for the argument that people tend to ski more aggressively when wearing a helmet, me not wearing a helmet won't change other people's actions, I'd rather make sure that if one of these kamikaze skiers collides with me that I'm protected.

The final argument is that helmets can actually increase the possibility of neck/ back injuries, but I can't find any solid evidence of this and it seems to be nothing but a way for non-helmet wearers to justify not wearing a helmet.

Personally, I'll be popping out in the next week or so to procure a helmet ahead of my trip in January.

I hope that Schumacher makes a full recovery.
 
As I said before I think you'll find it a great improvement in comfort and practicality as well as personal safety.
I haven't felt any drop in perception btw .....ski'd for 20 years
 
StevenH72 said:
My opinions / views on wearing helmets have only ever been taken from reading forum posts (snowheads) and talking to other skiers. the Schumacher incident has prompted me to do a bit of real research this morning and from what I've read there appears to be no real reason not to wear a helmet.

whilst it is true that helmets reduce an individual's ability to perceive hazards, they don't reduce their ability any more than wearing a wooly hat and goggles. Personally I'm not a bare head and sunglasses skier, so there is no reason for me not to wear a helmet on piste.

As for the argument that people tend to ski more aggressively when wearing a helmet, me not wearing a helmet won't change other people's actions, I'd rather make sure that if one of these kamikaze skiers collides with me that I'm protected.

The final argument is that helmets can actually increase the possibility of neck/ back injuries, but I can't find any solid evidence of this and it seems to be nothing but a way for non-helmet wearers to justify not wearing a helmet.

Personally, I'll be popping out in the next week or so to procure a helmet ahead of my trip in January.

I hope that Schumacher makes a full recovery.
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Sounds like a pretty damn sensible view of it. Can't believe I'd go down a mountainside on my bike without a helmet, nor drive my car without a seatbelt, nor if I skied not wear one.

My thoughts are with Michael for a rapid recovery
 
Just caught this terrible news the irony is crazy, lets hope he pulls through.

I must admit I've given up skiing partly because a mixed party I went with were decimated mostly through no fault of their own. One person broken wrist, another a leg, one with a crocked knee, and lastly one with a snapped Achilles. The previous year a teen suffered similar injuries to Schuhe having been taken out by a lunatic (who I believe was charged by the police) but thankfully she made a full recovery in time. She was told unequivocally that the helmet saved her life.
 
Looking touch and go from the news conference, hope he ends up ok.
From the helmet side of things the spokesman said the helmet meant he didn't die on the slope waiting for help.
 
That is something people seem to overlook. They say things like "oh well, the helmet didn't help him much" etc etc. Forgetting that without it, death would have been a certainty. If you're looking into a helmet, go into a store and check the fitment first. A poor fitting one is almost as bad as no helmet. Even if you don't buy it from them then at least you get an idea for correct sizing. Without sounding like an arse, if anyone is thinking about it and would like some advice then drop me a PM.

I know the hospital at Grenoble, my mum had her wrist rebuilt there after a collision with a falling snow boarder. They worked wonders with what was left and very nearly saved it. Got back to the UK and the NHS mucked it up. They see this type of injury so often up there that I think he will be more likely to come through OK than almost anywhere else. Fingers crossed.
 
StevenH72 said:
My opinions / views on wearing helmets have only ever been taken from reading forum posts (snowheads) and talking to other skiers. the Schumacher incident has prompted me to do a bit of real research this morning and from what I've read there appears to be no real reason not to wear a helmet.

whilst it is true that helmets reduce an individual's ability to perceive hazards, they don't reduce their ability any more than wearing a wooly hat and goggles. Personally I'm not a bare head and sunglasses skier, so there is no reason for me not to wear a helmet on piste.

As for the argument that people tend to ski more aggressively when wearing a helmet, me not wearing a helmet won't change other people's actions, I'd rather make sure that if one of these kamikaze skiers collides with me that I'm protected.

The final argument is that helmets can actually increase the possibility of neck/ back injuries, but I can't find any solid evidence of this and it seems to be nothing but a way for non-helmet wearers to justify not wearing a helmet.

Personally, I'll be popping out in the next week or so to procure a helmet ahead of my trip in January.

I hope that Schumacher makes a full recovery.
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Good choice - James Cracknell made some very similar and valid points on 5live this afternoon- looking forward to donning mine on Scottish slopes in the Morn.
 
ZermattV said:
Good choice - James Cracknell made some very similar and valid points on 5live this afternoon- looking forward to donning mine on Scottish slopes in the Morn.
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Enjoy and stay safe. :thumbsup:
 
ZermattV said:
Good choice - James Cracknell made some very similar and valid points on 5live this afternoon- looking forward to donning mine on Scottish slopes in the Morn.
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Jammy sod.
Can you snowboard on drizzle and mud? No? Looks like I'm doing something else today then :roll:

Enjoy!
 
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