RPI scoop info
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This all sounds good. What you making them out of Luke. If its aluminum just make sure its soft and bendable, If we can do them as individual bits and weld it all together.
I might be able to get a deal on powder coating. But i want my one Blue.
I might be able to get a deal on powder coating. But i want my one Blue.
pvr said:
Watching this thread of everyone openly planning to make money, or buying cheap, from taking copies of someone else's original work is not nice to watch.
I've been developing an air-intake system for a number of years and as much as I'd like to bring it to the marketplace, I fear that even with the so-called "protection" of registering patents, the really big boys such as the large car manufacturers, can ignore the patent, knowing full well that they can outspend you in legal action and thus make your patent not worth the paper it's written on. And then you've got internet bandits running cottage industries making knock-off copies...
This is a fair point exdos and PVR.
To be honest Luke this is a serious issue. Hows about we don't get one to copy. Work out fixing points shape size of our own. That way its our own work if anyone wants one of them then that's cool but we cant promise or offer gains???
As everyone knows i make bits n bobs. There is a lot of work that goes into each part. It would PI$$ me off if someone started making the bits after buying one of mine. Also i dont recon the RPI is that expensive after you work out the R&D that's gone into it and the testing i think its fair really. I know i have been making stuff too cheap and not making much cash.
As with most of the stuff i make i am normally just trying to help someone who like me dose not have the cash to spend. Or cant buy off the shelf. I relay wouldn't want to end up in any trouble. Especially as i am not that fussed to have one!!
To be honest Luke this is a serious issue. Hows about we don't get one to copy. Work out fixing points shape size of our own. That way its our own work if anyone wants one of them then that's cool but we cant promise or offer gains???
As everyone knows i make bits n bobs. There is a lot of work that goes into each part. It would PI$$ me off if someone started making the bits after buying one of mine. Also i dont recon the RPI is that expensive after you work out the R&D that's gone into it and the testing i think its fair really. I know i have been making stuff too cheap and not making much cash.
As with most of the stuff i make i am normally just trying to help someone who like me dose not have the cash to spend. Or cant buy off the shelf. I relay wouldn't want to end up in any trouble. Especially as i am not that fussed to have one!!
exdos said:
Legally, if you make it out of different materials, I believe you're sound under subset G(1) of the patent law..
But I'm no lawyer.
And, tbh, it's no different to digital piracy, which I'm sure we've all done.
also.. they're only patent pending, and I seriously doubt they will get a patent through on it, without going into deep specifics on dimensions, material used, post-production steps etc.
Otherwise, they're just trying to patent an air scoop, which has already been patented by many bigger companies, years ago.
The only issue would be copyright.. and even then, if you change the design sufficiently, you'll have bypassed that issue.
tbh, they wouldn't have this problem if they didn't change too much for it. (same as digital piracy)
Machine monkey said:
TBH Monkey Man, you'd probably make a better one anyway, I have every faith.
I realised I made a small balls up giving you both calipers though, as I now don't have the exact fixing, or approximate location to get the brake lines done. I'll guestimate for one set though
sk93 said:
We can all justify to ourselves our actions in avoiding paying for anything, and I'm not claiming sainthood here. But what I'm witnessing in this thread, because it's related to the field of my own invention, is reinforcing to me my own fears of letting my invention see the light of day either with, or without, patent protection, because I believe one way or another others will profit more than me from my efforts and ingenuity.
RJS-Z4 said:Machine monkey said:
TBH Monkey Man, you'd probably make a better one anyway, I have every faith.
I realised I made a small balls up giving you both calipers though, as I now don't have the exact fixing, or approximate location to get the brake lines done. I'll guestimate for one set though
Damb it!! i will have them sandblasted and all cleaned up soon. I hope to have 2 brackets made up for you to try soon. Hopefully chear you up a bit LukeMace said:Own work sound good to me mate
I understand about CR and Patents etc but to have a patent on the function of a scoop sounds farce to me!
Will have to have a goosey in the next little while and see what we can do
I think so Luke it just stops any potential problems. I like original better than buying off the shelf any way
exdos said:
I'm not convinced that's what you're seeing here...
RPI scoops have been around for quite some time, and the prices have never really changed.
In all honesty, it's a bent bit of metal you bolt onto your car. It's not precision engineered, it's not carbon, it doesn't take much skill (sorry - no offence meant, but you get what I mean), and it's not complex electronics.
So why does it cost so much?
People are only willing to pay what they feel is right for things. If you can offer something good, at a price they believe is worth paying (and by they, I mean a majority, as you'll always get those who refuse to pay anything) then people will pay it.
What is happening in this thread is people want the benefit of a scoop, but aren't silly enough to pay overly inflated prices for it.
I'm all for supporting "joe bloggs ltd". I kicked loads of money into various kickstarter projects.
I also pirate a shittonne of stuff, but then end up buying the stuff I actually liked.
If your idea is good, and what you want to charge for it is "fair" (not saying it has to be cheap, it just has to be what Mr Average would say "yeah ok, it'd cost me less to do it myself, but for that price, the effort isn't worth it") then you'll profit from it.
simples
Your right sk93 Its about getting what you pay for. The RPI is over priced really.
As for just a bent piece of metal any Monkey could bloody make one!!!!
Believe it or not it looks very simple and yes it but Luke will still have to program the plasma cutter they don't do it them selves. And will all have to be bent and manufactured in the correct proses. And there are skills involved!!
As for just a bent piece of metal any Monkey could bloody make one!!!!
Believe it or not it looks very simple and yes it but Luke will still have to program the plasma cutter they don't do it them selves. And will all have to be bent and manufactured in the correct proses. And there are skills involved!!
Machine monkey said:Your right sk93 Its about getting what you pay for. The RPI is over priced really.
As for just a bent piece of metal any Monkey could bloody make one!!!!
Believe it or not it looks very simple and yes it but Luke will still have to program the plasma cutter they don't do it them selves. And will all have to be bent and manufactured in the correct proses. And there are skills involved!!
//MM - am reading the valid points about patents and then thinking do they have the sole right to make a RAM air scoop.
You've already made your own strut braces, looking at other designs then coming up with your own. What's to stop you from looking at the RPI, then a Gruppe, then something else before deciding you can improve on theirs & make a much better design that:
1. Your version would come with an air actuator plug for the air box drain, which would self close at speed
2. Your air intake would be BIGGER
3.The material conically twisted with grooves to turn the air (B/S story being spinning air penetrates the air filter quicker)