Roof Motor under warranty

marchantsuk

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So not wanting to be left out my car joined the long list of roof motor failiures :(

Spoke to BMW dealer who tried to position them self ready to reject the claim under warranty. Dropped it off this morning ready for a fight and would you believe it.... covered under warranty :D
 
Bad news / Good news - in that sequence :)

What year / month is your car?
 
Car is March 2007.

Maybe the discussion I was expecting this morning, just came in the form of a phone call :x

The dealer states that the motor shows power going in but no power out, therefore failure. However without taking off the roof and removing the motor cannot tell if it is a simple fail or caused by water ingress.
If the later then BMW warranty will not cover.
So BMW has me over a barrel; the warranty is valid at a dealer, the outcome cannot be determined until it is stripped down and if not covered then the cost is at dealer prices :headbang:

So watch this space, either £100 bill (excess on policy) or £1,000 bill. I have told the dealer that if it is the later then I will go down the legal route.
 
Can you ask the dealer where it states in the manual that water ingress is an owner problem that was preventable?
 
pvr said:
Can you ask the dealer where it states in the manual that water ingress is an owner problem that was preventable?

I have just read the warranty word for word. The words; water and ingress, together or separately do not appear in any form anywhere. Bring it on Mr Dealer :evil:
 
BMWuk coughed up for a new motor for me even though there was no warranty, the car was bought privately and had a full BMWSH. I had to pay £100 for the dealers diagnostic though. Changed the motor myself. I thought that was okay.
 
Is not listed under excluded wear and tear items (brakes / wipers etc) either I assume ...
 
What is the chance that the person you spoke to has the authority to offer a grands worth of goodwill? You have just had the dealer minion default 'make no promises so make something up' line. You can't really expect more. I think they will pay.
 
Hi,
I'm going through this exact situation at the moment, my roof unlatches but doesn't move.
I have the comprehensive BMW extended warranty and spoke to the warranty manager today and got the
same response, if it's a motor failure not due to water ingress BMW will cover it otherwise BMW won't cough up.

I asked him where it states that water ingress isn't covered and he points out the following:

weatherstrips and seals

Dave
 
Bug said:
Hi,
I'm going through this exact situation at the moment, my roof unlatches but doesn't move.
I have the comprehensive BMW extended warranty and spoke to the warranty manager today and got the
same response, if it's a motor failure not due to water ingress BMW will cover it otherwise BMW won't cough up.

I asked him where it states that water ingress isn't covered and he points out the following:

weatherstrips and seals

Dave

Dave, now ask him to show you the weatherstrip or the seal that is around the roof motor? No such thing. It's a nonsense I have informed them that without a satisfactory outcome then I will take legal action.
There is no way BMW will go to court, the liability upon loss would run into hundreds of thousands of pounds as everybody would then claim.
 
Agree - it'll be a fight, but it is nothing to do with weather strips or seals. It is to do with (inaccessible) drain holes getting blocked, the void containing the motor filling up with water, and as a result the motor becoming flooded. There is nothing you can do to prevent the effects of what is, frankly, a sh1t design that should have been rectified somehow... But would have cost mahoosive amounts of money through a recall because of the labour involved. Legal/commercial interests balanced by ignoring for all unless under warranty, and only giving in reluctantly as a 'good-will-non-precedent-dealer-decision'. W@nkers. If my car had been under warranty I'd have politely hoovered the contents of my dealer's biscuit bowl and coffee machine until they provided the only right answer. Don't back down :thumbsup:
 
Bing, what were the drains in yours like? The motor side one on mine was clear (apart from a very small bit of debris) and water went through fine before and after checking the drains. When I peered in though, it looks like water sits on the motor. I'm thinking about getting a USB boroscope camera thing to have a detailed look inside. My roof still goes up or down in around 9-10 seconds but I'm getting like Andy and hearing it labour and worrying :cry: hence the hardtop purchase thought. If anything it sounds more laboured going down than up! I need to sit in someone else's car and comfort myself that all is well :?

Man maths. I have a warranty, and even if I paid an indie to replace the motor it would cost less then the hardtop but "ooh, shiny!"
 
I didn't actually see the drains - Indy did mine. The passenger side has been drilled larger, but not overly so, amd i can't seem to get a photo :headbang:

However, remember the motor is in a plastic housing that has no drain holes, is not completely sealed, and has water absorbent padded sound deadening inside it. So if the drain holes block, water fills up, and then the drains are subsequently cleared so water can run through,the motor housing could still have water inside it. Even a little water will be retained in the padding, so moisture is in there for a while once it's there.
 
Ah well, if it comes to it I'll lawyer up. Full BMW service history, main dealer has done all but tyres and the 4 wheel alignment and the drains are clear. Fingers crossed it doesn't come to that.
 
Stuart Truman said:
Ah well, if it comes to it I'll lawyer up. Full BMW service history, main dealer has done all but tyres and the 4 wheel alignment and the drains are clear. Fingers crossed it doesn't come to that.

Yup - Man Maths 1, BMW 0 :D
 
Here is the extract from another mail, same topic.

This is the reason BMW gave for not paying out on the roof motor, followed by my reply.

Roof Motor rejected under warranty
The reason:
drain tubes would require unblocking this would be a cleaning issue
this would not be covered via insured warranty
the motor has failed because of an outside influence and not a manufacture fault of the unit, this has
failed because of a cleaning issue that is excluded from insured warranty'

My reply (short extract from a much longer letter)

Based on this I reject your reasons for refusing the claim, on the following grounds:

1.The blocked drain holes (claimed) are not the reason for motor failure, they are a contributing factor. The reason for motor failure is water ingress through the sealed protective housing, therefore this would be a failure of the protective housing. Something that is covered in the warranty under terms and conditions item 6 ' we will pay for damage caused to a covered part if caused by another covered part' .
2.The term 'Outside Influence' as stated in reason for rejection is not detailed as an exclusion within the warranty document. In fact the term 'Outside Influence' is not used at all under any context.
3.The unit has not failed because of a cleaning issue for the following reasons:
3.1 The roof motor is housed within a protective sealed unit, this unit is situated within a recess inside the cars body work. I understand from speaking with the BMW technician who carried out the work that this recess has 2 drain holes in the bottom to allow any water to run through. It appears that these drain holes have become blocked and water has therefore collected in this recess. I would assume that a sealed protective housing of electrical and mechanical parts would prevent water ingress under these circumstances.
3.2 The area described (the recess) is not accessible without the full removal of the hood structure a job that takes in excess of 2 hours by a trained BMW technician and falls outside of acceptable maintenance expected of the owner. The drain holes cannot be seen from below the car as they sit behind protective panels that would require removal along with the wheels. Again outside the acceptable maintenance expected by the owner.
3.3 BMW do not include a check of the roof motor or surrounding recess area (including drain holes) under any service interval until inspection 2 at 60,000 miles. The car is currently at less than 40,000 miles.

Had a letter of acknowledgement saying it could take up to 6 weeks to respond.

Will let you know if I hear any more.
 
I didn't even realise they check the motor and drain holes as part of Inspection 2 - revelation to me.

Well worded letter - and handy for anyone else taking up the gauntlet :thumbsup:
 
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