Road Tax Refund

[Nictrix]

All of this was featured on Watchdog last week I think. Also alot of people don't realise when they buy a car privately they need to tax it as they think it carries over to the new owner. There will be lots of untaxed motors on the road. The publicity on the changes has been very poor.

Tim.

Have to disagree on that one. A hell of a lot of people know that they can now pay monthly by direct debt. A hell of a lot of people have removed their tax disks from their window. Now that *might* be word of mouth but surely before you remove your tax disk you would check that was the case? People are either just too lazy to read it all the information, picking and choosing to read what they *think* applies to them when really as a driver it is *their* responsibility to check that they are abiding by the law.

The new rules for tax although are quite simple they have not been explained to everybody and a lot of people will not know how it all works now.
Its amazing what people do not know.
A workmate was asked to drive the 17 seat minibus at the end of the summer last year.
He only passed his test about 5-7 years ago and did not know that he did not have the proper licence to drive it.
When I said to him that he shouldnt have driven it his reply was "I didnt know and anyway it was them who asked me to drive it, its their problem"
I then told him its not their problem its yours, just the same as if the tyres are bald or it has no MOT, you are the driver, you must check.

 

[Angie4m]

Someone mentioned 4 weeks to bank and clear, why is it so long?
Is it always 4 weeks for cheques to clear, I thought it was 4 days?

I think they are talking about the end to end time of requesting the refund and getting the funds from them and cleared the your account but I could be wrong. But it's usually T+4 working days so usually 5 working days before you can start drawing on the funds but it does take. A full 7 working days for a cheque to be confirmed paid by the other bank so if the cheque bounces after you've started to draw on it.....your a little bit fecked

 

[Angie4m]

Nictrix, I've just had a similar conversation at work with a lad who said he was going to take his girlfriends Dads towing caravan away next week. I then pointed out he didn't have the licence to do it but he thought because her Dad who's had a license for 30 odds years didn't have to have any special license then neither did he. That then led on to other things he couldn't do and how he would be liable and technically driving without insurance etc.

 

[Nictrix]

Again its not exactly clear for everybody.
I seem to remember that your licence used to have each vehicle you could drive listed on the actual licence but now all you have is letters and numbers that dont really relate to anything unless you research them.
An old friend of mine passed their test a few months after myself (I sat my test late) and does not have the same licence as me.
This caused problems for her a few times when wanting to hire a van and also in her job.

 

[mad4slalom]

the government wont be getting done out of any money as the vendor only gets back any unused months and the purchaser is taxing from the next full month or even from the first of the current month. So I would have no qualms not taxing it to sell. to my mind , at worst ,its a case of non displayment,and as we dont display a tax disc any longer anyway, I dont see how they or a court can have a problem with it. I know they want it both ways but although the car would technically be untaxed, the government have had the money to tax it. speedy was trying to be a model citzen and complying with the rules and got shafted for it. :thumbsdown:

 

[mr wilks]

A way around if buying a car privately mid month is to put the 1st of the following month on the V5 docs when exchanging but this obviously has a element of risk & trust from the seller that the new owner will not incur speeding or parking tickets :wink:

If you do this the seller would lose the next month as well, the only winner would be the buyer who wouldnt have to pay the previous month, and obviously DVLA.

I don't think so ? Not if the seller is on monthly :wink:
He stopped the DD payment at the bank & had already paid the month i took the car so no refund to him but no further payment either

 

[Taz]

A way around if buying a car privately mid month is to put the 1st of the following month on the V5 docs when exchanging but this obviously has a element of risk & trust from the seller that the new owner will not incur speeding or parking tickets :wink:

but your insurance will have to start the day you drive off in the car

 

[mr wilks]

A way around if buying a car privately mid month is to put the 1st of the following month on the V5 docs when exchanging but this obviously has a element of risk & trust from the seller that the new owner will not incur speeding or parking tickets :wink:

but your insurance will have to start the day you drive off in the car

& it did :wink:

 

[Taz]

so the government will know when you bought the car ?

 

[mr wilks]

so the government will know when you bought the car ?

I doubt they would have the capability to bring those 2 pieces of information together & who's to say i didn't pay for the car on the 22nd of the month , insure it on the 22nd of the month but not drive it until the 1st of the following month ?
That's not illegal afaik ?

 

[shortfuse 2]

dvla just making shed loads of money as normal :thumbsdown:

 

[mr wilks]

dvla just making shed loads of money as normal :thumbsdown:

Not quite as much as they are raking in from the recent overhaul of the Dartford Toll crossing :? another cleverly thought out "improvement "

 

[srhutch]

dvla just making shed loads of money as normal :thumbsdown:

Not quite as much as they are raking in from the recent overhaul of the Dartford Toll crossing :? another cleverly thought out "improvement "

Yep, they want money from me even when I haven't been over it :lol:

 

[mr wilks]

dvla just making shed loads of money as normal :thumbsdown:

Not quite as much as they are raking in from the recent overhaul of the Dartford Toll crossing :? another cleverly thought out "improvement "

Yep, they want money from me even when I haven't been over it :lol:

You still haven't proved you are not moonlighting as a night courier with a Renault van using duplicate plates

 

[srhutch]

and they still haven't responded to my appeal. Perhaps it was the £25 admin fee I said I would charge if they sent me any more invoices. :lol:

 

[TitanTim]

All of this was featured on Watchdog last week I think. Also alot of people don't realise when they buy a car privately they need to tax it as they think it carries over to the new owner. There will be lots of untaxed motors on the road. The publicity on the changes has been very poor.

Tim.

Have to disagree on that one. A hell of a lot of people know that they can now pay monthly by direct debt. A hell of a lot of people have removed their tax disks from their window. Now that *might* be word of mouth but surely before you remove your tax disk you would check that was the case? People are either just too lazy to read it all the information, picking and choosing to read what they *think* applies to them when really as a driver it is *their* responsibility to check that they are abiding by the law.

I agree Angie, people like myself and you would check but a hell of alot of people are just ignorant to be honest. Alot of people buying cars privately and the people selling don't know the changes that have taken place, so someone selling will advertise the car as being taxed and MOTd and alot of buyers will accept this without realising the car once in new ownership will need retaxing. You would hope that because now its legal not to display a tax disc that this will prompt new owners to check.

Apparently also next month the paper version of the Drivers Licence ceases to exist, however if you still have one then it remains valid. I was told by my dealer last year when collecting my 1 Series that my paper licence will expire and I would have to apply for a new one. Not true, so if dealers don't know or are misinforming the public then I'm not surprised people get it wrong.

Tim.

 

[gannet]

well we've received the acknowledgement that we've sold the car...now waiting for the refund...

waste of postage if nothing else...

and the correct refund received in the post today...

so car sold 9th May, dvla notified very shortly after... refund received 28th May, so 3 weeks...

cheque in the bank tomorrow...

 

[BMWZ4MC]

having bought my car on the 23rd i have had to pay from the start of the month, this should be illegal, its fraud

I bought my S2000 10 days before the end of the month but didn't tax it until the 1st of the following month. The previous owner put the correct purchase date on the paperwork but was a little tardy returning this to the DVLA (by about 10 days). He was refunded for his remaining RFL only from the day my tax started so logically the car must have been taxed continually. As for the 10 day period between my purchase and my tax renewal, well I can only assume that my SORN application was lost in the post :wink:

 

[GreyZed]

having bought my car on the 23rd i have had to pay from the start of the month, this should be illegal, its fraud

I bought my S2000 10 days before the end of the month but didn't tax it until the 1st of the following month. The previous owner put the correct purchase date on the paperwork but was a little tardy returning this to the DVLA (by about 10 days). He was refunded for his remaining RFL only from the day my tax started so logically the car must have been taxed continually. As for the 10 day period between my purchase and my tax renewal, well I can only assume that my SORN application was lost in the post :wink:

Unfortunately it wasn't taxed continuously. This is the whole point of the thread, RFL is now non transferable so unless you transported it on a trailer towed by a taxed vehicle you drove it without tax on the way home from your purchase. If you got snapped by ant ANPR cams then you could get an automatic fine (in addition to the automatic forum fine for buying an S200 in the first place!). The government now require double taxation for each month where a vehicle is sold on.

 

[BMWZ4MC]

Unfortunately it wasn't taxed continuously. This is the whole point of the thread, RFL is now non transferable so unless you transported it on a trailer towed by a taxed vehicle you drove it without tax on the way home from your purchase. If you got snapped by ant ANPR cams then you could get an automatic fine (in addition to the automatic forum fine for buying an S2000 in the first place!). The government now require double taxation for each month where a vehicle is sold on.

I know - I'm offering a logical perspective not misunderstanding the nonsense policy (hence the comment about SORN). There was no chance of being picked up by ANPR as the change of owner wasn't recorded until after the period in question. However, it would have been a problem had I been stopped whilst driving it and asked to produce my documents.
As for the forum fine, what can I say - I'm guilty! My 320d daily driver was becoming rather old and needed replacing, so I thought I'd buy something to make commuting more interesting.....