Road Tax 2017

[Nictrix]

Am I reading this wrong or is this going to go the opposite way for the cars out there just now that are low tax like the £30 a year ones?
Are these kind of cars after 2017 now going to be £140 a year instead of £30?
Which gives you the same problem as there is with 2006 cars like the Mazda RX8 where the March cars were a lot cheaper to tax than the April cars.

 

[jamesbond]

Am I reading this wrong or is this going to go the opposite way for the cars out there just now that are low tax like the £30 a year ones?
Are these kind of cars after 2017 now going to be £140 a year instead of £30?
Which gives you the same problem as there is with 2006 cars like the Mazda RX8 where the March cars were a lot cheaper to tax than the April cars.

Yes thats correct .. any new car registered after April 2017, for example we have a new mini one and a mini cooper (64 plates) which are £30 per year to tax.

both these cars if purchased new after April will now be £140 per year plus their emission supplement hit when the car is 1st purchased

https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/ved-road-tax-from-2017-0182-2060

 

[John002]

You may as well just give 3/4 of your wages each week to the tax man and be done with it.

J.O.B. - Just Over Broke, that's were this country wants you to be

 

[Smartbear]

I expected a backlash against the supposedly clean running diesels now it's understood how harmful the emissions are but this is meddling with petrol cars as well!

 

[bluestreak56]

Everyone be prepared to buy the last 66 plates available for their respective vehicles :-D

 

[Nictrix]

Everyone be prepared to buy the last 66 plates available for their respective vehicles :-D

That really depends on the car.
Are cars like Range Rovers now only going to be £140 to tax after 5 years?

 

[MACK]

Everyone be prepared to buy the last 66 plates available for their respective vehicles :-D

That really depends on the car.
Are cars like Range Rovers now only going to be £140 to tax after 5 years?

Not five but six. But yes it would appear so, unless of course the chancellor and co come up with some else again in the interim period before any 4/17 onwards reigestered vehicles hit 6 years old.

 

[MACK]

Well as the money raised from this is supposed to be ring fenced to be spent on the roads, we will truly have "Road Tax" for the first time in about 80 years. That's going to shut up many a cyclist on news sites/forums telling the motorist their VED doesn't pay for the roads! :evil:

 

[jamesbond]

I Just hope the money does go on the roads .. as they desperately need repairing / re surfacing in most areas that I come across

 

[carl]

I was thinking (but only thinking) about a new Ford Mustang. From April 2017 it will be £140/year after 5 years (as it costs <£40,000) but the ones sold this year will be £505/yr+. So there will be, IMHO, a year's worth of allocation that are unsaleable on the second hand market. It's worse than the 2005/6 change as to benefit from the cheaper tax in that case you had to buy an older car. Now it's the newer car that is more attractive to the second hand buyer.

 

[jamesbond]

I was thinking (but only thinking) about a new Ford Mustang. From April 2017 it will be £140/year after 5 years (as it costs <£40,000) but the ones sold this year will be £505/yr+. So there will be, IMHO, a year's worth of allocation that are unsaleable on the second hand market. It's worse than the 2005/6 change as to benefit from the cheaper tax in that case you had to buy an older car. Now it's the newer car that is more attractive to the second hand buyer.

Plus remember the mustang will get hit £2000 on top of list price when 1st purchased due to the emissions

 

[Angie4m]

I was thinking (but only thinking) about a new Ford Mustang. From April 2017 it will be £140/year after 5 years (as it costs <£40,000) but the ones sold this year will be £505/yr+. So there will be, IMHO, a year's worth of allocation that are unsaleable on the second hand market. It's worse than the 2005/6 change as to benefit from the cheaper tax in that case you had to buy an older car. Now it's the newer car that is more attractive to the second hand buyer.

Plus remember the mustang will get hit £2000 on top of list price when 1st purchased due to the emissions

The whole first year 'showroom'/'emmisions' tax is factored into the On The Road price so if you want to pay £40k for a car £2k of that will be that first year tax. Just like just now buying a new car the OTR price includes VED, first registration and a full tank of fuel.

An example being is that if you bought say a RRS2 SVR the VED is £505 a year but the first years is £1100. This is factored into the cost of the OTR price.

Or a better example for you is that the first year VED on a 35is is £640, you didn't rock up to BMW, do a deal on the car and agree a price and then they said oh you also need to pay £640 VED because it was part of the price you paid.

 

[carl]

I was thinking (but only thinking) about a new Ford Mustang. From April 2017 it will be £140/year after 5 years (as it costs <£40,000) but the ones sold this year will be £505/yr+. So there will be, IMHO, a year's worth of allocation that are unsaleable on the second hand market. It's worse than the 2005/6 change as to benefit from the cheaper tax in that case you had to buy an older car. Now it's the newer car that is more attractive to the second hand buyer.

Plus remember the mustang will get hit £2000 on top of list price when 1st purchased due to the emissions

So even worse then. Original purchaser will have paid another £2000 so wanting top dollar on resale, plus purchaser wants £140/yr tax. Where does that leave the people who paid -£2000 in 2016 and whose cars are £505/yr tax? Luckily this is a hypothetical scenario for a new purchaser as I believe the 2016 allocation of Mustangs is already sold out.

 

[gaffer1986]

All I know is I pay £30 a year for my 2014 Leon FR (great car by the way) I've done 56,000 miles in 2 years. I will probably do 6000 miles a year in the Z4M. Which one is causing more pollution?

 

[carl]

All I know is I pay £30 a year for my 2014 Leon FR (great car by the way) I've done 56,000 miles in 2 years. I will probably do 6000 miles a year in the Z4M. Which one is causing more pollution?

Coming on here with your "advocating common sense" eh? Next you'll be proposing that the car tax is loaded onto the fuel cost to make it fairer for all! :wink:

 

[Angie4m]

I was thinking (but only thinking) about a new Ford Mustang. From April 2017 it will be £140/year after 5 years (as it costs <£40,000) but the ones sold this year will be £505/yr+. So there will be, IMHO, a year's worth of allocation that are unsaleable on the second hand market. It's worse than the 2005/6 change as to benefit from the cheaper tax in that case you had to buy an older car. Now it's the newer car that is more attractive to the second hand buyer.

Plus remember the mustang will get hit £2000 on top of list price when 1st purchased due to the emissions

So even worse then. Original purchaser will have paid another £2000 so wanting top dollar on resale, plus purchaser wants £140/yr tax. Where does that leave the people who paid -£2000 in 2016 and whose cars are £505/yr tax? Luckily this is a hypothetical scenario for a new purchaser as I believe the 2016 allocation of Mustangs is already sold out.

As above the £2000 is the first year 'road tax' which is in the OTR (On The Road) price of the car so if the car is advertised as £38,995 OTR for example then it includes first year road tax, tank of fuel and first registration.

Currently people already pay an inflated first year VED commonly know as the 'showroom tax' and then a reduced rate after the first year of ownership. So that part is not really changing, just the amount being charged.

So if you buy a 2016 mustang you pay £1100 first year VED then £505 thereafter from the specific date in 2017 that will be £2000 for the first year and then depending on how they are going to work the value of the car it could be £140 a year assuming it's based on base price without extras as we all know on some cars you can go a bit mad and before you know it, it's over £40k

 

[gaffer1986]

All I know is I pay £30 a year for my 2014 Leon FR (great car by the way) I've done 56,000 miles in 2 years. I will probably do 6000 miles a year in the Z4M. Which one is causing more pollution?

Coming on here with your "advocating common sense" eh? Next you'll be proposing that the car tax is loaded onto the fuel cost to make it fairer for all! :wink:

Now that sounds like a plan