Road Tax 2017

Which is hoe dutch cars are configured as the luxury tax is in the factory car, not in dealer fitted extras such as radios and alloys.
 
Open to abuse in my view.
Surely the only "right" answer is mileage x emissions...
Says he who pays the 500 but doesn't cover anything like average miles...
Saw a really good FB post on equality v equity. Kinda works no matter what...
Stevo
 
I thought the whole basis of the car tax was to charge for poor emissions ? Therefore the newer cars are cleaner and cheaper, thus creating an encouragement to run something environmentally friendly ? They've now turned that on its head and are encouraging you to run a 5year+ old smoker !

Its just like Council Tax. You buy a £150k house and pay 1% stamp duty and little council tax. To buy a £1m house you've paid shed loads of income tax on the way , higher stamp duty and then pay 4 times as much to have your same size bin emptied every fortnight, because you haven't pissed your money against the wall every night. Stealth Tax again !

Car tax should be on the Fuel. End of Story.
The more you use the roads, the more you pay. That would also stop people like the Pike's avoiding it too.
 
Agreed. Mileage x emissions is the only correct solution. Pay as you go, if you prefer. Certainly not the current, unfair, system.
Still, for £10 a week, it's not the end of the world. Just not especially fair. But it narrows the focus on the next car, if and when.
Stevo
 
Number5 said:
Car tax should be on the Fuel. End of Story.
The more you use the roads, the more you pay. That would also stop people like the Pike's avoiding it too.
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Exactly right, it's the only fair way. The obvious issue is that government doesn't actually care about creating a fair system.
 
MickAdams said:
Number5 said:
Car tax should be on the Fuel. End of Story.
The more you use the roads, the more you pay. That would also stop people like the Pike's avoiding it too.
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Exactly right, it's the only fair way. The obvious issue is that government doesn't actually care about creating a fair system.
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Wouldn't work. Transport and haulage companies would suffer.
 
John002 said:
MickAdams said:
Number5 said:
Car tax should be on the Fuel. End of Story.
The more you use the roads, the more you pay. That would also stop people like the Pike's avoiding it too.
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Exactly right, it's the only fair way. The obvious issue is that government doesn't actually care about creating a fair system.
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Wouldn't work. Transport and haulage companies would suffer.
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The haulage companies would have to pass it on within the cost of the haulage, but if everyone was paying it rather than 75% of drivers, it would be a lot less. (The same as insurance... We only pay the extortionate amounts we do because about 3/10 drivers aren't insured and the rest of us pick up the bill )
 
Why would the haulage firms have to pass it on and create inflation.
These companies claim the VAT back so why can't HMGov create a rebate scheme.
 
Hello

strange tax system this one .. you can now buy a brand new mustang for £140 per year road tax that emits 299g/km and a new 35is z4 e89 which emits 210g/km will cost you £450 per onwards for 5 year ..
 
But forgot to mention .. the new mustang (just as a example) you will get hit £2000 when purchase new and the 35IS you will get hit £1200 on top of the purchase price.

So the 35is is the cleaner car for emissions but pays more road tax in the long term because of price .. really strange system
 
Grumpyowl said:
Why would the haulage firms have to pass it on and create inflation.
These companies claim the VAT back so why can't HMGov create a rebate scheme.
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This is duty, not tax. You can not reclaim duty.
 
The most environmental thing to do is keep older cars running for as long as possible. I'd love to know how many miles you'd have to do in a ZM to equate to the production and shipping emissions of a brand new Tesla or Prius across the globe.

These new car tax systems will really hurt the value of our older 'mid value' cars. Even as a current owner, it does make it far less attractive to own an M if you can get another comparable car an pay £400 less a year to the tax man.
 
The bottom line is the same as the Labour governments of past-they dont want old cars on the road. Remember the free tax for classic cars over 25 years old,it was designed to preserve older rarer cars and keep alive Britains motoring heritage. It was spearheaded by supertory Alan Clark an enigma of a man to say the least,he had Bentleys, Astons and even a Citroen DS convertible he was a true petrolhead. As soon as Labour got in they immediately capped it making only pre 1973 cars eligible. Then there was the scrappage scheme,it worked in resurrecting new car sales but many good roadworthy older cars were sacriced to do this.
 
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