Rant

[cossied]

Being a bit judgemental aren't you?

If you read the thread you'll see the accident happened over the brow of a hill and around a bend.

If he was driving too close then why did the lady he hit say he wasn't to blame?

Could you say you could stop if you came round a bend and over the brow of a hill and 3 cars in front were just there having all just slammed their brakes on?

so we have a brow of a hill, a bend and an entrance to a garden centre all within 3 car lengths, any warning signs ?

 

[Carol M]

Warning signs for what?

'Beware three cars in front slamming brakes on.'

Considering nobody was there to see what happened apart from the people involved and every single one of them said it was pretty much unavoidable I think their word should taken.

 

[bjd]

Interesting that the other car drivers involved stated that the women had been driving erratically before the incident - anyone think of dropping back in that case and giving themselves room to avoid such a response from her . . .

Yep, exactly what i was going to say. Keeping my distance not only for myself but for the flow of traffic behind me.

After someone slammed into the back of me whilst I was stationary at a red traffic light, I drive as though everyone is dumb and keep my distance (and more). That sounds very self righteous but I'm not sure if this is a knock to my confidence or if I'm more nervous. Either way it has taught me to drive a lot more defensively.

Accidents happen though and so long as no one was hurt, thats all that matters IMO. Just annoying when other people eff up it's massively inconveniences you.

 

[StevenH72]

Warning signs for what?

'Beware three cars in front slamming brakes on.'

Considering nobody was there to see what happened apart from the people involved and every single one of them said it was pretty much unavoidable I think their word should taken.

I guess the junction probably needs to be sorted. What if the woman hadn't have driven erratically but had just been waiting for say 25 seconds for a gap to turn with 2 cars waiting behind her, sounds like your lad would still have been unlucky.

I'd write to the council to help improve visibility at the corner else it will soon happen to somebody else.

 

[sars]

Most comments on here are pure speculation and have no merit but to hurt and highlight how better they are, all that's bad with forums the web over

 

[Montjeu]

I don't agree with that sars, most comments contain empathy/sympathy with a touch of realism, because we are not stakeholders in the incident. Opinions based on Carol's version of events which are in turn formed from third parties actually there. Would you rather pages of soft soaping?

 

[sars]

I don't agree with that sars, most comments contain empathy/sympathy with a touch of realism, because we are not stakeholders in the incident. Opinions based on Carol's version of events which are in turn formed from third parties actually there. Would you rather pages of soft soaping?

Less of this

He can't be that safe a driver if he wrote off his car in this way. Two other cars stopped, and he didn't. I do have sympathy for him though, I'd be sad if it were my son that had been involved.

At least nobody was hurt and he'll have learned to leave a bigger gap in future.

More of this

Glad your boy is ok Carol. Hope he gets back on the road soon to use his extra wisdom

The latter soft soaping, I don't believe so, just OG's intelligent enough to know that s**t happens, everyone's luck will run out at some point and that what doesn't kill you makes you wiser. Anyone that states they drive with 100% concentration all the time is a bare faced liar.

 

[Montjeu]

You feel what budfox wrote is hurtful. Really?
There's no point in telling Carol that she is right to feel angry and agree it was all the lady's fault and her son was an innocent victim of the situation. It might be what she wanted to hear, I don't know, but it isn't true (given the outline of events).
I personally don't think that it would be good in the long run for her son to think that he shared none of the responsibility for the smack. More a lesson that he can walk away from relatively unscathed (fortunately). Just my opinion for what it is worth. I obviously don't know Carol's son or how he feels about the incident himself.

 

[Carol M]

You feel what budfox wrote is hurtful. Really?
There's no point in telling Carol that she is right to feel angry and agree it was all the lady's fault and her son was an innocent victim of the situation. It might be what she wanted to hear, I don't know, but it isn't true (given the outline of events).
I personally don't think that it would be good in the long run for her son to think that he shared none of the responsibility for the smack. More a lesson that he can walk away from relatively unscathed (fortunately). Just my opinion for what it is worth. I obviously don't know Carol's son or how he feels about the incident himself.

I wasn't actually asking anyone to tell me I was right about anything. I was just ranting about the situation which, inevitably is going to cost money (it has).
Sars is bang on. People become all holier than thou on these type of threads, like they've never been in a near miss, ever. Sars is right, they're lying if they say otherwise.
They also take it on themselves as judge & jury on a situation they didn't witness and in effect disagree with ALL parties who were actually there!

That's all ok, it's a forum and people will voice their different opinions, doesn't mean they are right does it? Likewise it doesnt mean my opinion is right either.
The difference between OG and others is how the opinion is put across.
And if you know OG, he doesn't do 'soft soaping'.

We drove passed the place where it happened today and there were about 4 different skid marks on the road. Some veering over to the other side. Clearly it's a dangerous black spot.

My son doesn't think he's totally blameless (he braked hard as soon as the cars came into view) but given the hill, bend and last minute decision by someone to slam their anchors on he feels that whoever came next would've hit the car in front, as do the other people involved.

(Sorry Titan )

 

[Jembo]

The older I've got, the more aware I've become of how much cars sometimes don't stop as quickly as you'd expect - I still sometimes get caught out, though touch wood would simply say have been lucky at my last second judgement calls.

I'm more glad he's alive to live another day, I only wish that he can learn from this experience & take away something that he can do better in similar circumstances next time.

Good hunting for a new car

 

[mcbeee]

Personally , I get nervous going around a blind corner and cresting sharp hills...always find myself slowing a bit and covering the brake but that's just me.

It seems obvious that this is a dangerous stretch, drivers being in the right or in the wrong is irrelevant. Police should have stats on accidents/location and this info could be taken to the authorities to provide impetus for some changes.

IMHO, You can't fix the drivers so the best bet is do something about the location.

 

[Carol M]

The older I've got, the more aware I've become of how much cars sometimes don't stop as quickly as you'd expect - I still sometimes get caught out, though touch wood would simply say have been lucky at my last second judgement calls.

I'm more glad he's alive to live another day, I only wish that he can learn from this experience & take away something that he can do better in similar circumstances next time.

Good hunting for a new car

Well said Jem, thanks

We bought another car today

 

[Titan]

(Sorry Titan )

No need to apologise Carol
Just put another tick in another box.
I once had 2 dirty Tshirts but nowhere to wash them in public in those days

 

[andysat]

Bloody ell-I've been off the forum for a few days, just read this -glad he is okay Carol-what is his replacement?

 

[Stark]

Carol sweetheart....I think where the negative comments come from is that industry standard and perception is that if anyone rams you up the arse.....they are at fault, no explanation, no excuse...and hence why we get these comments. What makes it tougher is that he's your son, and your world, and you are of course going to defend him to a point, and rightly so. I've learnt that mums and their children........well I don't have any children, but I have seen enough to know.....

I have a friend who said she knew someone who went over the brow of a hill, albeit at speed, and on the other side was a lorry, he went under the lorry, and decapitated. We are all thankful he is ok and came home to you.

 

[Carol M]

(Sorry Titan )

No need to apologise Carol
Just put another tick in another box.
I once had 2 dirty Tshirts but nowhere to wash them in public in those days

Bloody ell-I've been off the forum for a few days, just read this -glad he is okay Carol-what is his replacement?

A 107 Andy. (Guess the colour?!)

Carol sweetheart....I think where the negative comments come from is that industry standard and perception is that if anyone rams you up the arse.....they are at fault, no explanation, no excuse...and hence why we get these comments. What makes it tougher is that he's your son, and your world, and you are of course going to defend him to a point, and rightly so. I've learnt that mums and their children........well I don't have any children, but I have seen enough to know.....

I have a friend who said she knew someone who went over the brow of a hill, albeit at speed, and on the other side was a lorry, he went under the lorry, and decapitated. We are all thankful he is ok and came home to you.

I know Starkers and thanks.
I'm not one of those sort of moms tho, just ask my kids! If they're in the wrong then they get told, believe me.

The lady who he hit said it really wasn't his fault so I'm taking her word for it over his.

 

[andysat]

Errr.....yellow??

 

[Carol M]

Errr.....yellow??

:lol: yep! Just happened to be right car, spec & price & happened to be yellow. He doesn't care tho. I thought he would. You should see our drive! :lol:

 

[andysat]

Errr.....yellow??

:lol: yep! Just happened to be right car, spec & price & happened to be yellow. He doesn't care tho. I thought he would. You shod see our drive! :lol:

We neeed a pic!

 

[Montjeu]

You feel what budfox wrote is hurtful. Really?
There's no point in telling Carol that she is right to feel angry and agree it was all the lady's fault and her son was an innocent victim of the situation. It might be what she wanted to hear, I don't know, but it isn't true (given the outline of events).
I personally don't think that it would be good in the long run for her son to think that he shared none of the responsibility for the smack. More a lesson that he can walk away from relatively unscathed (fortunately). Just my opinion for what it is worth. I obviously don't know Carol's son or how he feels about the incident himself.

I wasn't actually asking anyone to tell me I was right about anything. I was just ranting about the situation which, inevitably is going to cost money (it has).
Sars is bang on. People become all holier than thou on these type of threads, like they've never been in a near miss, ever. Sars is right, they're lying if they say otherwise.
They also take it on themselves as judge & jury on a situation they didn't witness and in effect disagree with ALL parties who were actually there!

That's all ok, it's a forum and people will voice their different opinions, doesn't mean they are right does it? Likewise it doesnt mean my opinion is right either.
The difference between OG and others is how the opinion is put across.
And if you know OG, he doesn't do 'soft soaping'.

We drove passed the place where it happened today and there were about 4 different skid marks on the road. Some veering over to the other side. Clearly it's a dangerous black spot.

My son doesn't think he's totally blameless (he braked hard as soon as the cars came into view) but given the hill, bend and last minute decision by someone to slam their anchors on he feels that whoever came next would've hit the car in front, as do the other people involved.

(Sorry Titan )

Fair enough reply. I responded to Sars because I didn't read much, if anything, that was hurtful. Two people were killed from a RTA in my town of MK yesterday, puts everything into perspective (someone has subsequently been arrested for being unfit to drive). Been said already the main thing is everyone was able to walk away from the incident.