"proper" Bi-Xenon upgrade...

[Ducklakeview]

Came across this in my bookmarks, thought it may be of use...

As we know, the internals of the E85/E86 halogen and Xenon lights are actually interchangeable, so these should be a simple swap...

https://www.retrofitlab.com/xenon-projectors/hella-evox-r-bi-xenon-projectors-1.html




Mike

 

[cj10jeeper]

Yes - they would be. 4 nuts on long threaded studs is all that needs swapping on a physical side.

You'd have to work out the appropriate wiring as halogen are inside and xenon have the ballast underneath. I guess you could rig up a new loom and base it around an aftermarket HID kit and sort out if you need ignitors or some other way to lock the new xenon bulbs in

 

[Ducklakeview]

Yes - they would be. 4 nuts on long threaded studs is all that needs swapping on a physical side.

You'd have to work out the appropriate wiring as halogen are inside and xenon have the ballast underneath. I guess you could rig up a new loom and base it around an aftermarket HID kit and sort out if you need ignitors or some other way to lock the new xenon bulbs in

Tempted to order a set, have a HID kit in now, which is a massive improvement, but I love the throw and beam pattern on these. I'd just use the ballast etc I have now with D2S burners, having Bi-Xenons will help the weedy mains, and these adaptors are only a couple of quid each..



Mike

 

[cj10jeeper]

That would work. Not sure if the red connectors will mate directly onto the rear of the bulb where the igniter clips on but you could work something out for that.

 

[Ducklakeview]

That would work. Not sure if the red connectors will mate directly onto the rear of the bulb where the igniter clips on but you could work something out for that.

I'm sure D2S doesn't have the igniter on the back, as they have the "P32d-2" base, whereas the D1S does have the igniter, and therefore the "PK32d-2" base, if my memory serves me correctly?

Mike

 

[cj10jeeper]

If the red connector fits onto the rear of the replacement reflector and bulb you're all set

 

[Scooba_Steve]

Except without hacking the loom you'd not have bi-xenon?
I'm tempted to look into these but would need a lot more detail - if I was going to the trouble of changing I'd certainly want to lose the CANBUS ballasts but what about levelling?

 

[Ducklakeview]

Except without hacking the loom you'd not have bi-xenon?
I'm tempted to look into these but would need a lot more detail - if I was going to the trouble of changing I'd certainly want to lose the CANBUS ballasts but what about levelling?

It's a simple connection inside the headlamp to get them to work as bi-xenon. Auto levelling is a lot more involved, but I'd happily do without that. Mine already has washers.

Mike

 

[Scooba_Steve]

From your HID kit ballast to the new lamp? But that won't make them bi-xenon unless the high beam/flash to pass is wired in too. What about the stepper motors for normal levelling?

 

[cj10jeeper]

From your HID kit ballast to the new lamp? But that won't make them bi-xenon unless the high beam/flash to pass is wired in too. What about the stepper motors for normal levelling?

You're right. On pre-facelift the bi-xenon aspect is controlled by a shutter that simply cuts off the beam to create a dipped beam.
Unless this kit contains the servo and lever to do that you won't get bi-xenon, just single xenon acting as a dipped beam. If it had the servo it would be easy enough to drive it from the main beam feed

The step motor is to raise the lights as weight is added (manual on halogen and suspension sensor driven on xenon)

 

[fearless]

I looked at the evo-r's last year, and from memory you can't get them with a rhd cutoff. I might be wrong though

 

[Ducklakeview]

From your HID kit ballast to the new lamp? But that won't make them bi-xenon unless the high beam/flash to pass is wired in too. What about the stepper motors for normal levelling?

You're right. On pre-facelift the bi-xenon aspect is controlled by a shutter that simply cuts off the beam to create a dipped beam.
Unless this kit contains the servo and lever to do that you won't get bi-xenon, just single xenon acting as a dipped beam. If it had the servo it would be easy enough to drive it from the main beam feed

The step motor is to raise the lights as weight is added (manual on halogen and suspension sensor driven on xenon)

These have the shutter and servo fitted

Mike

 

[Ducklakeview]

I looked at the evo-r's last year, and from memory you can't get them with a rhd cutoff. I might be wrong though

The shutter pivots to give LH or rh drive beams, my XC90 ones do the same.

Mike

 

[cj10jeeper]

From your HID kit ballast to the new lamp? But that won't make them bi-xenon unless the high beam/flash to pass is wired in too. What about the stepper motors for normal levelling?

You're right. On pre-facelift the bi-xenon aspect is controlled by a shutter that simply cuts off the beam to create a dipped beam.
Unless this kit contains the servo and lever to do that you won't get bi-xenon, just single xenon acting as a dipped beam. If it had the servo it would be easy enough to drive it from the main beam feed

The step motor is to raise the lights as weight is added (manual on halogen and suspension sensor driven on xenon)

These have the shutter and servo fitted

Mike

Then you're looking good

 

[Scooba_Steve]

Looking forward to seeing if this really is a go-er

 

[0xid0]

Hella E55 it's more cheap, but i think is discontinued because i can't find in internet.

 

[Ducklakeview]

Hella E55 it's more cheap, but i think is discontinued because i can't find in internet.

The E55 design is almost 15 years old, the evo-X is much better.

Mike

 

[fearless]

I looked at the evo-r's last year, and from memory you can't get them with a rhd cutoff. I might be wrong though

The shutter pivots to give LH or rh drive beams, my XC90 ones do the same.

Mike

I know there is a pivot on the shutters, but it only flattens the cut-off. It doesn't give you a proper rhd cut off. I got some clear lenses from the guys below a while back and had a fairly long convo about it with them. Listed on their site as LHD only.

https://www.theretrofitsource.com/morimoto-evox-r-bi-xenon-projectors-48784.html#.V8XAAhJvB3E

 

[0xid0]

Hella E55 it's more cheap, but i think is discontinued because i can't find in internet.

The E55 design is almost 15 years old, the evo-X is much better.

Mike

In this page to buy Evo-x projectors, shows two cutoffs:

- ECE
- DOT

Wich is the right for E85 lights?

 

[Scooba_Steve]

I believe DOT is the step up of beam, ECE is the 'kick up' of beam. I think either will pass a UK MOT, the handedness is obviously different for LHD/RHD.

*all of the above could be tosh though*