Petrol engines beginning of the end
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TitanTim said:If good enough for the Saint, good enough for me
Tim.
Always loved the P1800, perhaps in forty years time we will be being all romantic about the Nissan Leaf? No, you are right.
The Tesla though might just make it there. Cannot see the XC90 in the same league!
Maniac said:
Hybrid, but only until the technology is there to go all electric mainsteam, I don't think thats too far away. I seriously think the combustion engine will be a thing of the past in 10/15 years, when you think about it combustion technology is pretty rudimentary and I can't see it progressing any further, sad as that sounds.
Tim.
It gets worse; France is set to ban the sale of all petrol and diesel engined vehicles by 2040: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40518293
TitanTim said:
The problem with electric vehicles will always be the length of time it takes to recharge the battery packs, which means that there will need to be far more electric charging points than there are petrol pumps now. It's all well and good having domestic charging points on properties with driveways/garages, but what about all the vehicles street parked? Likewise, are electric vehicles a viable alternative to diesel powered lorries with much greater energy requirements bearing in mind the weight of these vehicles when loaded?
23 years is a very longtime into the future, who knows what the state of the worlds climate will be, which if any petrol driven cars manufacturers offer, nor the cost of road tax or the gas pumps.
If the next 23 years trends the same as the below then you'll better get that charging point fitted.
In short, I don't think we will have a choice.
If the next 23 years trends the same as the below then you'll better get that charging point fitted.
In short, I don't think we will have a choice.
... All part of world geo political economics - i can see why Trump pulled of the paris agreement, not only would he have to give up use of coal but also reduce oil consumption, which they have still got their own stocks, so dont see the v8s comin to an end yet...
Strange that the far east countries were getting bollocked for their industrial co2 emmissions but are now moving into the greener sector, and now the US arent playing anymore...
Im a bit of a political sceptic, so I can only conclude that the politicians are only puppets to big industry - hence the rejection of climate change theory (trump isnt an idiot, hes only doing what his captains of industry want). Climate change was invented to tax the manufacturing countries and now recinded when it doesnt suit...
Not saying there is any truth in the above and Im not rejecting climate change but sometimes the truth is the bit in the middle, the world is getting warmer (probably due to increase in population and energy consumption/production in general), the shift in power and money is moving, the new wars are fought with global policy...
Apologies for the rant, we were just talking about bloody volvos
Strange that the far east countries were getting bollocked for their industrial co2 emmissions but are now moving into the greener sector, and now the US arent playing anymore...
Im a bit of a political sceptic, so I can only conclude that the politicians are only puppets to big industry - hence the rejection of climate change theory (trump isnt an idiot, hes only doing what his captains of industry want). Climate change was invented to tax the manufacturing countries and now recinded when it doesnt suit...
Not saying there is any truth in the above and Im not rejecting climate change but sometimes the truth is the bit in the middle, the world is getting warmer (probably due to increase in population and energy consumption/production in general), the shift in power and money is moving, the new wars are fought with global policy...
Apologies for the rant, we were just talking about bloody volvos
In 29 years the fuel price has gone up from 36p/l to 116/l - 80p or 222% increase.ranski said:
In 29 years, my average wage have gone up from £60/week to £600/week - so a £540 or 900% increase.
I won't worry...as long as my pay increases at the same rate for the next 29 years
Often wondered about the possibility of calling into a garage and instead of gassing up simply exchange a battery pack for a fully charged unit. I'm sure this could be viable if the motor manufactures were to cooperate and offer a common or at least a limited number of battery designs.
NEver mind that, what about this new Toyota Mirai?? A production Hydrogen fuel cell car...
I want one, just for the technology!
https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/index.html
Mike
I want one, just for the technology!
https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/index.html
Mike
mmm-five said:In 29 years the fuel price has gone up from 36p/l to 116/l - 80p or 222% increase.ranski said:
In 29 years, my average wage have gone up from £60/week to £600/week - so a £540 or 900% increase.
I won't worry...as long as my pay increases at the same rate for the next 29 years
The bigger question.... Will you still be alive? :wink:
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If everyone else goes leccy , all those strange people that worry about MPG and their childrens lungs and stuff and petrol becomes less popular ..less popular things get cheaper ... usually..mmmmm wishful thinking the natural soprofic of the optomist
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I'd happily commute up and down the M40 in an electric car, as it stands I take zero enjoyment from driving my auto dirty diesel saloon 19K miles to work and back each year. If the numbers stack up with the new Tesla 3 (which I doubt they will tbh) I'll go for it.
Big engine petrol cars will become weekend toys, which is all my Zed is anyway so no big issue at a personal level.
Big engine petrol cars will become weekend toys, which is all my Zed is anyway so no big issue at a personal level.
personally i think its great to hope that there is a generation to come that will look back and see that their elders have tried to leave the planet in a better state than they found it. rather than mine and the one below me who look to our elders and wonder how they could have selfishly screwed it up so much.
whether or not the subject of this thread will be part of that broad view I dont know but i like to dream ....
whether or not the subject of this thread will be part of that broad view I dont know but i like to dream ....
ronk said:
as i see it
option 1 - make a shitty electric car, refine the technology, make a better car every generation,improve recharging infrastructure etc ie 'git gud'
option 2- keep building internal combustion engines and burning a what is essentially a finite resource (bio-diesel etc not-withstanding).
take yer pick ....... :wink:
Here we are discussing environmental issues while driving uneconomical and basically impractical cars!
I don't think I will be dumping my Satans Chariot just yet! However my next vehicle might just be all electric at my age and I will become another scourge of the pavements and Tesco's food hall!
I don't think I will be dumping my Satans Chariot just yet! However my next vehicle might just be all electric at my age and I will become another scourge of the pavements and Tesco's food hall!
