Pedals (Heel Toe)

[jimmybell]

Anyone find the Z4 pedals not the best setup for heel toe?

Driven a few other cars in anger and find the layout is much more conducive to nice sounding downchanges. I think its a combination of pedals being far apart and at different depths at resting positions.

Wonder if anyone else finds the same or do i have weird feet, and if there's anything to be done to improve (aftermarket pedals?)

 

[paulgs1000]

I find it is ok in my 3.0si but easier with the Sport button on - less throttle pedal movement needed.

:driving:

 

[Dale_B]

I find it is ok in my 3.0si but easier with the Sport button on - less throttle pedal movement needed

+1. I find the pedal set up fine.

 

[ben g]

Nothing wrong with the pedals. The clutch delay valve, however, is a P.O.S

 

[Bazoz4]

Nothing wrong with the pedals. The clutch delay valve, however, is a P.O.S

CDV removal is total transformation :driving:

 

[MrPT]

Anyone find the Z4 pedals not the best setup for heel toe?

Find it ok here too - non-M, Sport button on.

That said, I can't roll the outer part of my foot across in the traditional manner because of the pedal width, so you do have a point. It's got to be a proper heel-only "blip", which takes some ankle flexibility.

 

[blobslosak]

I found the pedals were better positioned on my e46 M3, but with the sport button on I manage ok in the zed. Not as easy in my brogues mind, haha :driving:

 

[MrPT]

I found the pedals were better positioned on my e46 M3, but with the sport button on I manage ok in the zed. Not as easy in my brogues mind, haha :driving:

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[Bing]

I still have no idea how to do this :lol:

 

[buzyg]

I found the pedals were better positioned on my e46 M3, but with the sport button on I manage ok in the zed. Not as easy in my brogues mind, haha :driving:

Loafers are the way forward.

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[Nictrix]

I still have no idea how to do this :lol:

Me neither but I would imagine doing it anywhere but on a track is asking for trouble

 

[paulgs1000]

Doesn't need to be the track and has applications on the road. . . .

Brake with the ball (to toe) of your foot whilst using the outer right edge (to heel) of your foot to bring the revs up on the throttle to balance the revs during a down change (more essential at high revs). You can vary the weight on the brake and throttle after a bit of practice - a bit of experimentation and you'll never miss an opportunity to blip that throttle on a down change and it really helps to balance the car when on a spirited drive! All part of the fun and challenge :lol:

:driving:

 

[Nictrix]

Doesn't need to be the track and has applications on the road. . . .

Brake with the ball (to toe) of your foot whilst using the outer right edge (to heel) of your foot to bring the revs up on the throttle to balance the revs during a down change (more essential at high revs). You can vary the weight on the brake and throttle after a bit of practice - a bit of experimentation and you'll never miss an opportunity to blip that throttle on a down change and it really helps to balance the car when on a spirited drive! All part of the fun and challenge :lol:

:driving:

I do it on the bike but it is far easier to do on the bike.

 

[paulgs1000]

Using the right hand to front brake and match the revs with the throttle at the same time. . . .easier being a hand movement don't you think than a foot movement? (though there is the coordination needed for the right amount of right foot rear braking as well it doesn't call for manipulating the foot to do two things)

It's interesting that bikers probably do it without thinking its a special technique - essential on a m/bike - hate to think what would have happened on any of my previous bikes if I hadn't matched revs on down changes - that's a very small single contact patch at the back

:driving:

 

[Nictrix]

Times have changed on most modern superbikes with slipper clutches, people dont even really need to think about it now at all.
Drop a few gears at the wrong speed on old bikes like Zs or in your case a GS (I assume you had one of these) and the rear would just lock up.

 

[paulgs1000]

Are slipper clutches that effective? Never ridden a bike with a slipper clutch. Yep had 3 GS1000s, my last bikes were Triumph Daytona 1200, Honda VFR 800i and ended my biking with a sit up and beg Bandit (newer water cooled). Surely folk are still taught to match engine speeds when they are learning - they don't all go straight to the modern super bikes? Like I said, its a given on a bike so probably not even thought about as being a special skill?

Thought the slipper clutches were to cope with the ever increasing bhp going through the back wheel rather than not having to bother matching the engine speed to gears - are they really that good that riders don't have to bother? Wow (there's still the need to have your revs higher for the lower gears so it makes sense to bring those revs up though?)

:driving:

 

[silverdevill]

The clutch delay valve can be removed?..... need more info on this please...

 

[Nictrix]

Are slipper clutches that effective? Never ridden a bike with a slipper clutch. Yep had 3 GS1000s, my last bikes were Triumph Daytona 1200, Honda VFR 800i and ended my biking with a sit up and beg Bandit (newer water cooled). Surely folk are still taught to match engine speeds when they are learning - they don't all go straight to the modern super bikes? Like I said, its a given on a bike so probably not even thought about as being a special skill?

Thought the slipper clutches were to cope with the ever increasing bhp going through the back wheel rather than not having to bother matching the engine speed to gears - are they really that good that riders don't have to bother? Wow (there's still the need to have your revs higher for the lower gears so it makes sense to bring those revs up though?)

:driving:

Yep they are pretty good.
My wifes 2007 R1 has a slipper clutch as standard and you can just knock it down the gears at any speed and the clutch pretty much takes care of it.
You can tell through the engine when you have went down a bit too harsh but for people who dont know it is an aid.
Its obviously still a good idea not to go down the gears too quickly at high speeds though.

 

[Machine monkey]

The clutch delay valve can be removed?..... need more info on this please...

Have a search on hear there are loads of threads about it. I have taken mine out and prefer it without it.

Heal and toe in the z4 takes practice to get the movement right. I have found it harder in the z4 than any other car. I have put on some pedal covers and put some packing behind the accelerator to bring it up a few mm. It makes it easier and i found doing it with the sport button pressed easier too.

 

[gwatson]

The clutch delay valve can be removed?..... need more info on this please...

I have put on some pedal covers and put some packing behind the accelerator to bring it up a few mm. It makes it easier and i found doing it with the sport button pressed easier too.

I did the same and it's a lot easier now. Just bought some cheap ACS replica pedals and also packed out throttle pedal by 8mm.