Oh good just what the UK needs, 350,000 more....

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Scroungers next year, what's the betting that'll turn out to be 1 million+ and of course if any do find work they can always get child benefit to send back home for their 13 children!!!!

You just couldn't make it up, the madness that is the corrupt EU,......... ah that's better :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10009654/350000-Bulgarians-and-Romanians-looking-for-work-in-the-UK.html
 
As frustrating as it is ... If migrants are coming in to work then there can be more said about the native Brits who happily sit at home on benefits and don't want to find work. That coupled with the whole system which gives non incentive for such people to work in monetary terms.

This thread is a can of worms waiting to be opened ... Lol.

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I don't care about this really. Are non UK people less deserving than us? They are just people trying to find work and have a better life.
 
TommyGG said:
I don't care about this really. Are non UK people less deserving than us? They are just people trying to find work and have a better life.

As long as they do find work, pay taxes and don't end up putting more pressure on our benefits / welfare system (and as a result the country as a whole) then I am fine with it. But historically we have been sh*t at ensuring the rules around entry to and domicile in the UK are followed, or indeed that we even know who and where these people are. If they sit on their asses and absorb the money I pay in taxes having made zero contribution to the country or economy then they can f*ck right off - and we should have the means to make them.
 
i work with a lot of guys who aren't originally from the UK. most of them are very hardworking (even more so than some lazy UK born people), some are lazy, but at least they're working.

2 doors up from me lives a guy who think's he's some sort of gangster, and smokes weed in the garden all day, walks the streets with his fellow loser mates and generally acts a tosser. ship this guy out to timbuktu and send some of them over here so a real chance at a decent life, rather that than let this loser live on benefits without ever working.
 
TommyGG said:
I don't care about this really. Are non UK people less deserving than us? They are just people trying to find work and have a better life.

Ah you mean all the poor in the world can come and claim benefits having never contributed, because claiming benefits is why they are coming here and looking for a job is their excuse, also what about the strain on the NHS/housing etc?

You say you "don't care" well you should :)
 
Kryton said:
TommyGG said:
I don't care about this really. Are non UK people less deserving than us? They are just people trying to find work and have a better life.

Ah you mean all the poor in the world can come and claim benefits having never contributed, because claiming benefits is why they are coming here and looking for a job is their excuse, also what about the strain on the NHS/housing etc?

You say you "don't care" well you should :)

That's a straw man argument

If you believe it puts a strain on the NHS/housing you need to provide evidence for this (economically do they take more than they give?)
 
TommyGG said:
Kryton said:
TommyGG said:
I don't care about this really. Are non UK people less deserving than us? They are just people trying to find work and have a better life.

Ah you mean all the poor in the world can come and claim benefits having never contributed, because claiming benefits is why they are coming here and looking for a job is their excuse, also what about the strain on the NHS/housing etc?

You say you "don't care" well you should :)

That's a straw man argument

If you believe it puts a strain on the NHS/housing you need to provide evidence for this (economically do they take more than they give?)

:lol: which planet do you live on?
 
Did this all start with Margaret Thatcher? :fuelfire: :D

I dont think anyone should be against immigration. But monitoring who comes in and what they do should be on a whole new level to what it is now.
 
-Tom- said:
As frustrating as it is ... If migrants are coming in to work then there can be more said about the native Brits who happily sit at home on benefits and don't want to find work. That coupled with the whole system which gives non incentive for such people to work in monetary terms.

I am against immigration when there aren't enough jobs for all, or the infrastructure isn't big enough, but it has to be said that the above is very true - lots of "dole" people around (and I mean people who are able to work, but don't want to work....not people who are genuinely seeking work or genuinely unable to work). Why are most food outlets in my town staffed by Eastern Europeans, when there are plenty of unemployed british people around?

The system (that they are trying to change) allows the lazy ones to live off the state, whereas the immigrants will take the low paid jobs because it is better than they had at home.

But there is also an argument about immigrants coming here for the benefits.....why else do they pass through the other European countries to get here? Why not stop before they get to the UK?

Does immigration put a strain on services like schooling and NHS. I believe it does. Class sizes always used to be an issue anyway, and if children from other countries are now attending as well, possibly with a poor grasp of the English language, then surely that's going to take more resource to give them an education. I speak as a non parent, so that's just my instant opinion without any research.

NHS: again, no research but I fail to see how it cant stretch resources. Drs appointments are limited, hospital appointments are limited. I don't think the NHS was ever running "under capacity", so more people=more pressure. And what about the so called health tourists?
 
More people = more pressure is true, the simple answer is to buy more hospitals and attract more doctors.

IF the NHS is overstretched (and I don't really know if it is or not) I think population increase is the scapegoat, the NHS's inability to scale properly to demand is the root problem. Perhaps the UK should think about reducing friction for integration of medical migrants into the NHS, or other incentives to attract medical talent if it really is a problem.
 
I think bringing people from any country and culture into the UK can be good for the country, in fact over 2000 years our diversity and strength seems to stem from the many nationalities that have settled in the UK.

You have to think that we should have a law that allows anyone in providing they work, and Im basically against the NHS in its current form anyway so I could easily see people coming to the UK and not having access to the NHS unless they contribute to the society

Id quite happily have a law stopping those that wont work that are already in the UK from living for free to though.
 
TommyGG said:
More people = more pressure is true, the simple answer is to buy more hospitals and attract more doctors.

IF the NHS is overstretched (and I don't really know if it is or not) I think population increase is the scapegoat, the NHS's inability to scale properly to demand is the root problem. Perhaps the UK should think about reducing friction for integration of medical migrants into the NHS, or other incentives to attract medical talent if it really is a problem.

Well don't Australia use a system whereby you can go if you have needed skills? Perhaps similar here.

I don't know the figures either, but the problem with the NHS is funding...and more importantly, where that funding goes. There is so much wastage that goes on, that we aren't getting good value. Perhaps they do have enough money, but it is not being spent effectively. I don't know. But to buy more hospitals etc would take more money, which means more taxes probably, and if the low paid jobs are taken by the immigrants (cos the british are too lazy), then there is an extra person to care for, but they wont be earning enough to pay tax...
 
This isnt just effecting the Uk .......its effecting Sweden and Belgium too ........Oh of course stupid me .......both those countrys are full of Brits that wont work too
 
ranski said:
not when the benefits system pays more than a pay packet


Who says people on the "Dole" get more than a working man?
The same person that said native Britains would rather sit on their arses than work?

70 years or so ago in a country not far from here the population was told/brainwashed into thinking all the economic problems were caused by one race of people
 
slick said:
ranski said:
not when the benefits system pays more than a pay packet


Who says people on the "Dole" get more than a working man?
The same person that said native Britains would rather sit on their arses than work?

Err....all the reports you hear on the news about people living in council accommodation getting benefits for this, benefits for that etc, that would stop if they worked, and so they would be worse off than staying on benefits.

Mick Phillpott?

Obviously, if they walked into a well paid job, then it would be the case, but that's not gonna happen is it?
 
I'm not racist, but... :poke:


Let's be honest, most of the arguments against immigration are either fabricated (immigrants are scroungers: no, immigrants are less likely to claim benefits than natives) or are simply concerns that have very little to do with immigration (job security, more money being spent on benefits than is affordable etc. etc.).

Immigration is a good thing. It provides an elastic supply of cheap labour. It adds diversity.

Uncontrolled, "easy" benefits are a bad thing. They encourage those able to work to decide not to.

Let's tackle the actual problem here, not use this genuine problem as a defense for intolerance.
 
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