Oh give me a fkg break Lewis!
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Apparently Lewis also has been legally sueing the Hamilton watch company for it's name for the last 3 years and now has finally lost:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966063/Lewis-Hamilton-loses-three-year-legal-battle-ban-luxury-watchmakers-Hamilton-brand.html
So yes, Hamilton watches, a company of american origin (now headquatered in Switzerland), that has been around for well over 100 years, and Lewis finds his own surname more important and entitled...yeah....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966063/Lewis-Hamilton-loses-three-year-legal-battle-ban-luxury-watchmakers-Hamilton-brand.html
So yes, Hamilton watches, a company of american origin (now headquatered in Switzerland), that has been around for well over 100 years, and Lewis finds his own surname more important and entitled...yeah....
That is a bit of a desperate, non-story by the media. Pretty standard practice to go after existing trademark holders like that as part of a brand push (same for long-time squatters of popular domain names) on the basis that there’s an incremental and economically attractive opportunity to be had with every win (plus the odd windfall if you get lucky). It’s a battle that’s being fought by all major brands all the time, you just don’t hear much about it because it’s dull.
Defence legal fee compensation totalling under £900. Probably took 3 years because it was sat in a backlog of low priority litigation. Meh.
Defence legal fee compensation totalling under £900. Probably took 3 years because it was sat in a backlog of low priority litigation. Meh.
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I just think there are haters for the sake of hating.
This guy was the best thing since sliced bread when he entered into F1 and I’m sure people on here didn’t dislike him from the start but because he has been so successful and has become the best driver of all time capped with having a voice they now have a different opinion of him.
This guy was the best thing since sliced bread when he entered into F1 and I’m sure people on here didn’t dislike him from the start but because he has been so successful and has become the best driver of all time capped with having a voice they now have a different opinion of him.
Lynchy said:
And your point is?
I don't see any post on this thread that lends itself to your theory. Quite the opposite in fact, as most have offered a rationale or considered opinion.
You're also the first person in this thread who has brought the word 'hate' to the table. I'm curious as to why that might be?
Chris_D said:
Beat me to it Chris.
If you read my first post I said he comes across as a very nice guy.....not much ‘hate’ there I don’t think. No one hates him, that would be irrational. Vettel is successful, Alonso, Raikkonen, Hakkinen, Schumacher...the list is endless, they’re all world champs, no ones having a discussion on them because they’re ‘successful’.... :?
Let’s be perfectly clear on this ‘Hate’ thing....nip it in the bud before it starts.
I don’t hate Hamilton...no reason to, he hasn’t finished a race in the most polluting sport in the world to bulldoze my house to build a runway so he can fly over here from America in his non polluting private jet, leave it ticking over on the runway while he scribbles his name on a piece of paper to avoid paying lots of tax in his home country before jetting back off to the states off to an airfield to jump into a big engined car that doesn’t use much fuel to drive to his big boat to fire up its big engines to make a video of himself zipping across the water at high speed not using lots and lots and lots of fuel to preach to us all on how we all need to take notice of climate change ok.
I don’t hate Hamilton...no reason to, he hasn’t finished a race in the most polluting sport in the world to bulldoze my house to build a runway so he can fly over here from America in his non polluting private jet, leave it ticking over on the runway while he scribbles his name on a piece of paper to avoid paying lots of tax in his home country before jetting back off to the states off to an airfield to jump into a big engined car that doesn’t use much fuel to drive to his big boat to fire up its big engines to make a video of himself zipping across the water at high speed not using lots and lots and lots of fuel to preach to us all on how we all need to take notice of climate change ok.
I do think that F1 should do more to separate the issue of solidarity with BLM (e.g. taking a knee) from the drive to get more diversity into the sport (e.g. young driver programmes, Hamilton's commission). They have common ground, of course, but it's not very exploitable or helpful in this instance as the case for lack of diversity in F1 has a far more tenuous link to race-relations than in does in other aspects of society. I suspect kids growing up are far more likely to not aspire to be in F1 because it's f*cking boring 90% of the time or due to environmental issues than because they don't see their skin colour represented.
I don't think anybody can deny that F1 is a horrendous monoculture though (to the point of irony sometimes, e.g. when you look out across the favelas from the VIP boxes at Sao Paulo). I'd be interested to see what his commission comes up with in terms of quantifying the issue and suggesting action to take. Sport is a fantastic platform for demonstrating social mobility and cross-cultural collaboration and anything that can be done to this end should nearly always be a good thing. Hamilton has just made a bit of a dog's dinner of "the comms", as they say.
Ultimately though, he can do whatever he wants. I happen to like him and think he's far less awkward and himself than he ever was when the Ron/Bernie circus was trying to shape him. I also sympathise with his environmental stance, as someone who is investing heavily in low energy technology but also looks at a 19mpg trip average with some sense of pride! If I had his social media presence I would probably also reach the conclusion that my potential contribution to the environment in terms of reach/impact was worth the trade-off of being seen by some as a spoilt, hypocritical pr!ck.
I don't think anybody can deny that F1 is a horrendous monoculture though (to the point of irony sometimes, e.g. when you look out across the favelas from the VIP boxes at Sao Paulo). I'd be interested to see what his commission comes up with in terms of quantifying the issue and suggesting action to take. Sport is a fantastic platform for demonstrating social mobility and cross-cultural collaboration and anything that can be done to this end should nearly always be a good thing. Hamilton has just made a bit of a dog's dinner of "the comms", as they say.
Ultimately though, he can do whatever he wants. I happen to like him and think he's far less awkward and himself than he ever was when the Ron/Bernie circus was trying to shape him. I also sympathise with his environmental stance, as someone who is investing heavily in low energy technology but also looks at a 19mpg trip average with some sense of pride! If I had his social media presence I would probably also reach the conclusion that my potential contribution to the environment in terms of reach/impact was worth the trade-off of being seen by some as a spoilt, hypocritical pr!ck.
Approximately 50% of society are women, but how many do we see in the F1 teams in the pit lane? No diversity there either. Society naturally divides in the ways that the various factions choose. Sure, you might have to push a bit harder to gain access into certain areas of society which have been long considered the domain of specific groups, but with all the anti-discrimination laws we now have there must surely be a civil rights lawyer prepared to make a name for her/himself by working pro bono to smash another glass ceiling.
I suspect far more kids don’t aspire to F1 because they don’t have a father willing to work 3 jobs around the clock to get their kid into motorsport, not because it’s boring. You need money, and lots of it if you want to get anywhere in motorsport, it’s that simple.
He’s certainly spoilt and hugely hypocritical, just imagine the impact he could have if he practiced what he preached. Do you think he’d have the same voice if he couldn’t do exactly what he wanted when he wanted to do it...? He’s got the money, time and space to roam the world looking for his next fun day out, and he does that to the max, makes throwing a few lines out about his ideology pretty easy as he doesn’t seem to take any notice of it himself. It almost seems that if he says it it absolves himself from practicing what he preaches. Wouldn’t it be a complete s**t show if everyone has the same attitude to their causes, nothing would get done, it’s just fantastic that most are willing to make sacrifices for what they believe in.....Hammy certainly doesn’t do that.
He’s certainly spoilt and hugely hypocritical, just imagine the impact he could have if he practiced what he preached. Do you think he’d have the same voice if he couldn’t do exactly what he wanted when he wanted to do it...? He’s got the money, time and space to roam the world looking for his next fun day out, and he does that to the max, makes throwing a few lines out about his ideology pretty easy as he doesn’t seem to take any notice of it himself. It almost seems that if he says it it absolves himself from practicing what he preaches. Wouldn’t it be a complete s**t show if everyone has the same attitude to their causes, nothing would get done, it’s just fantastic that most are willing to make sacrifices for what they believe in.....Hammy certainly doesn’t do that.
Exactly. So my point is, perhaps very few black people seek employment in F1 because they have no interest in the sport, rather than they are prevented gaining access to careers in the sport due to any real, or a perception of, racial discrimination?john-e89 said:
I would say Lewis smashed the glass ceiling for black people in F1 if ever there had been any barriers into entry into the sport.
And what about Jann Mardenborough, who entered motor racing on account of him being so good as a "gamer"? It seems to me that if you are good enough motorsport will accept anyone. The battle against institutional racism in motorsport is over.
Perhaps the word hate was too strong and I should’ve used the word dislike. I still say that people dislike him for the sake of disliking even though they don’t even know him. Perhaps it’s a jealousy thing, I don’t know and there are people on here that come across as dick heads but in person they are probably ok
GuidoK said:
Pierluigi Martini famously attempted to sue Bacardi Ltd several times between 1993 and 2001, before having to stand down after courts ruled in favour of the drinks behemoth who had in fact conceived of their "Pierluigi Martini" to celebrate six-time FIFA Best Referee of the Year and celebrated slap-head, Pierluigi Collina.
You got some sources for that?
I know who Pierluigi Collina is but I don't see the connection to bacardi.
I can understand if a drinks manufacturer launches a drink with your exact first name and surname you sue them, but that is something totally different in the Lewis Hamilton - Hamilton watch company case. In fact there were even specific comments made in the verdict about that!
I know who Pierluigi Collina is but I don't see the connection to bacardi.
I can understand if a drinks manufacturer launches a drink with your exact first name and surname you sue them, but that is something totally different in the Lewis Hamilton - Hamilton watch company case. In fact there were even specific comments made in the verdict about that!
Lynchy said:
If that’s aimed at me for one I’ll say it again, I DON’T dislike the guy, why would I, I’ve never met him, and again he seems a nice bloke, I simply wish he’d save his interests that don’t involve F1 for whatever social media outlet he wants. I do not think F1 races are the place to bang whatever drum he wants to bang, no one else does it, and I don’t think he should be pushing his fellow competitors into feeling guilty for not following his ideology or pushing them into taking the stance he does, again, no one else does it. It’s sport, not politics, I don’t want to watch him pushing his agenda at every opportunity at a race weekend. Why the hell can’t he do an interview for once and talk about the car, how he has it set up, how different set ups affect the car at different circuits etc, does he ever talk about the car at all...? Jealousy is nothing to do with it, if I was jealous of Hammy I’d be jealous at millions of people that have made serious money or fame or whatever, I can’t be jealous at everyone.... :lol: It’s just discussion Eddie, for me it’s down the pub stuff but on a forum, I imagine lots on here think I’m a dickhead, it’s just the way discussion is from a stupid keyboard. I’d much rather have a pint, a laugh and a chat in the pub.