Off to buy an M/// 2nd update

What spec are you trying to get, you might have to compromise on colour etc to get a good 'un?

Don't fear the nav-less cars either, yes they will be worth less but as long as you get it for the right price then it won't matter. Alloys can be refurbished and paint can be polished, little bits of wear on the driver's seat can be sorted.
 
Trouble is everyones standards are different.
When I say 'mint' I mean just that. But others will say mint ,when in reality it's just pretty good.
When I sold my T350 a couple of years back it was a lot of money for a private sale,£26k.
I had an enquiry from the south coast and a real job convincing the guy and his wife to come and view because he'd been let down so much.
Anyway after a long chat they came ,and bought without hesitation.

I believe the best cars are usually in the hands of private sellers,but there is still lots of rough stuff.
As for dealers,main or independent I don't think they view the cars as we do,there just a source of profit.
If there quite new then they'll look good,after that it's down to the valeters etc and some are clueless..
 
milu said:
I believe the best cars are usually in the hands of private sellers,but there is still lots of rough stuff.
As for dealers,main or independent I don't think they view the cars as we do,there just a source of profit.
If there quite new then they'll look good,after that it's down to the valeters etc and some are clueless..
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Agree. When I was selling my E85, I listed every single problem in my advert. There were many email between buyer and me regarding the car, before they actually came to see it. The price was also agreed before they saw it. I did not even allow the buyer to drive the car. My old car had extended warranty, so there was no worries for the buyer.
 
I'm also of the opinion that the buyer should be told of any niggles with a car before they view it, as it means there's less wiggle room in the price due to a bit of artistic licence regarding the condition. I've even taken close-ups of my other cars in the past to show a potential seller a scratch/ding/etc. but the interiors on mine are normally very good due to being sole occupancy 99% of the time.

Mine will have 35,000 miles on it by the end of next week (and is booked in for a BMW oil service & air-con refresh), and it's used on the motorway a lot, so I know it'll have stone chips. If I hadn't put the protection film on, I would have had to spend every weekend filling them in, but I'd probably make a hash of it, so would probably have had to have the bumper/bonnet resprayed every year.

In my case the paint protection film I took off a few months ago really helped in protecting the front end, and if it wasn't for the film looking grubby and me wanting to sell, then it would probably still be on.

Even I wouldn't call the condition of my car 'concourse' or 'A1' as I know it needs a good detailing to get rid of the swirls/holograms from my (and unfortunately BMW) hand-washing and there are a couple of marks on one rear wheel (like a stone has ricocheted around the rim, rather than a scuff) - but I've put the professional detailing off as I know it will just look the same 3 months down the line and I'd be spending another £250-£500. I also know some people will exaggerate their descriptions a bit with the hope of talking their way out of it when the buyer comes knocking.
 
2dogs said:
Went to look at another ZM yesterday 220 mile round trip and again I was disappointed
they said it was A1 but it was more like C1 I'm beginning to think there are no good M's
out there :cry: or maybe I'm just setting my sights to high :?
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hi, i'm wondering if you are expecting to much from a second hand sale, even on a brand new car i could pick fault. Are you looking at higher mileage and expecting zero marks, which isnt going to happen or are you looking at the cheaper end of the market. In my experince main dealers have the best cars, but you have to pay more. Whats your budget?
 
I think buying Z4M is different from buying other Zed. You would expect everything in M should be better than other Zed at the same age.
 
toplad said:
2dogs said:
Went to look at another ZM yesterday 220 mile round trip and again I was disappointed
they said it was A1 but it was more like C1 I'm beginning to think there are no good M's
out there :cry: or maybe I'm just setting my sights to high :?
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hi, i'm wondering if you are expecting to much from a second hand sale, even on a brand new car i could pick fault. Are you looking at higher mileage and expecting zero marks, which isnt going to happen or are you looking at the cheaper end of the market. In my experince main dealers have the best cars, but you have to pay more. Whats your budget?
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No, I don't think i expect to much, but when i ask the question, Are the seat in good nic and they say yes A1
and you get there and it looks like a fat lass has sat on it for 100000 miles, am i expecting to much. :?
on a budget of £20000ish would just like a good clean car, thats all :|
 
Think the leather does get a bit "baggy" over time and the bolsters can start to show signs of wear. Maybe factor in a re-trim of the seat, if you can find a car which is otherwise fine.
 
2dogs said:
No, I don't think i expect to much, but when i ask the question, Are the seat in good nic and they say yes A1
and you get there and it looks like a fat lass has sat on it for 100000 miles, am i expecting to much. :?
on a budget of £20000ish would just like a good clean car, thats all :|
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If they can't be straight with you over the phone, then how can you trust them to have told you everything when you go to view it?

My seat has its good and bad days, and some weeks I'll spend more time cleaning the seat (with just a cloth moistened with water and interior shampoo) than I do on the outside. Otherwise I'll end up spending 6 hours every weekend cleaning the car only for it to be filthy when it rains next, or I drive to the cinema.

My routine (it's not a particularly regular routine though as priorities do change without notice) is something like:
  • Weekend 1 wash exterior
  • Weekend 2 remove & wash wheels
  • Weekend 3 clean interior
  • Weekend 4 free
But if the weather's been good to me then then I'll just do a quick sno-foam & quick detailer on the exterior for weekend 1 and an interior clean on weekend 3.

It doesn't matter how careful you are in cleaning/replacing your detailing cloths/mitts/sponges/etc. you will still get fine scratches from time to time - and if you forget your "Don't Wash Me" sign when you take it to a dealer then you'll add 6 months of scratches in an afternoon :headbang:
 
Unless you have the paintwork Teflon protected which avoids all swirl marks. I can honestly say that you will not find a single swirl in my paint.
 
Im ok with swirl,stone chips, a little wear on the seats and that sort of thing
i wish i had picture of these Z you would cry they just look hammer,
used by some CEO who could not give a s**t, something to right off tax on.........
 
If you're a serious buyer I will bring mine to you, I am confident you will not be dissapointed.
 
ksher said:
I think buying Z4M is different from buying other Zed. You would expect everything in M should be better than other Zed at the same age.
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Why? Z4Ms aren't magically immune to stone chips, kerbing and swirling...just like any other car, **** happens. Hell I've seen a few Ferraris that look rough....it all depends on the life it's had
 
You would or could expect the M model owners to even be more careful with the car as it is rather a lot more expensive and possible even more cared for then the standard models.
 
mikedav said:
ksher said:
I think buying Z4M is different from buying other Zed. You would expect everything in M should be better than other Zed at the same age.
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Why? Z4Ms aren't magically immune to stone chips, kerbing and swirling...just like any other car, **** happens. Hell I've seen a few Ferraris that look rough....it all depends on the life it's had
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Yes. But you would expect the previous owner of the M would well look after the expensive car. Kerbing and swirling should not be expected (unless the car was owned by careless/rich owner who did not "love" the car).
 
pvr said:
You would or could expect the M model owners to even be more careful with the car as it is rather a lot more expensive and possible even more cared for then the standard models.
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Absolutely agree.
 
Sorry gents, but I don`t agree with this one.

IMHO, most people that buy a Z4, be it M, or non-M, will buy the best car that their budget allows, and as such, if they are the sort of person to look after a car properly, ie: correctly servicing, and caring for the exterior and interior as they should, then they will do so whether they have an M, or not ?
Just because they have had the funds to spend more on a car doesn`t automatically mean that they will respect it more than someone who has has less funds to spend.
 
encee said:
Sorry gents, but I don`t agree with this one.

IMHO, most people that buy a Z4, be it M, or non-M, will buy the best car that their budget allows, and as such, if they are the sort of person to look after a car properly, ie: correctly servicing, and caring for the exterior and interior as they should, then they will do so whether they have an M, or not ?
Just because they have had the funds to spend more on a car doesn`t automatically mean that they will respect it more than someone who has has less funds to spend.
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Correct. You can either find M cars in A1 condition (owned by rich people who loved their car) or cars in s**t condition (owned by rich b*****d who did not care/love their car). There is no average condition.
 
I agree,u get plenty of people with 2/2.2's,2.5,3.0's that take alot of care over their cars(most ppl on here,imho),and likewise their m's. but u will get plenty of ppl who don't,and chuck it thru a carwash once a month (regardless what model it is/what it cost them) :thumbsdown:
 
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