Odd noise, 57 coupe

Hmmm intresting:http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_techtip/techtips/tranny_rattle.htm
Have anybody tried this?
Does anybody knows thi UUC motorwerks company? Is it credible enough to publish such instructions?
I am gonna try this. Fingers crossed it will make my car significantly quitter :D
I will try this next week so I 'll let you know
 
Oky doky, my first post, a bit of a rant, I know...

Must confess to being a bit picky about noises & rattles in new cars but I am still very suspect about the old "rattles in neutral goes away when you depress the clutch" issue that seems to afflict numerous Z4's including my '57 3.0si coupe. I bought mine with 1,500 miles on the clock and experienced nothing but silence with the car in neutral for the first 2-3k miles, after which time the rattle in neutral developed and gradually got louder up to around 5-6k on the clock. At this point I took it back to the supplying dealer (Bowker Blackburn) who gave me the "they're all like that, don't worry about it speech". I said fair enough, but the noise continued to get louder and to me at least engaging gear (1st and Rev) and changing (mainly 1st-2nd which I appreciate is not the smoothest even when everything's A1) became well, a bit notchy, as if there was a bit of slack in the drivetrain (not backlash from the diff tho) which needed to be taken up after the clutch engaged. Also when filtering in traffic the clutch became increasingly juddery and I would regularly get a louder "clonk" from the transmission when dropping the clutch when the car was slowing to a set of lights say, under engine braking. (Confident that after driving a range of cars over the years it’s not cack handed/footed driving causing these issues!)

With 8k on the clock, after moving to Birmingham in the interim period I took the Z4 to Sytner for a second opinion. They gave me the BMW SIB acknowledging the noise as an issue but nothing more sinister (Lets face it people. No-one is working on a fix for this back in Munich, it's flappy paddles or bust from here on in). I said not good enough so they split the transmission and reported to me that "excess axial play on the flywheel bearing had caused damage to the adjacent clutch plate". They replaced both clutch and flywheel under warranty. Following this work the car drove exactly as did when I picked it up with 1,500 miles on the clock. Silence in neutral, no judder etc etc. My experience from 8k to the 14k on the clock I have now is exactly the same as the period 1-8k. The same issues are back and although I feel there is a fault with the car, BMW say not.

The supplying dealer basically says that Sytner were talking bobbins about the "Axial play" fault, that there was nothing wrong with it in the first place. Took a test drive with Bowker in the car recently and they said all is normal. I pointed out the quality of gear change, the rattle, slack feeling in the drivetrain, the clutch judder, the clonk dropping into neutral that did not exist when new or for 2-3k after the first warranty works and they say well it just the parts bedding in within normal tolerances.

So I have a rattly (passengers and bystanders ask me what's wrong with it), clonky, juddery Z4 which I'm not happy with. Would love to have one that works as it did when I bought it!
(Or one similar but without the runflats which are utter sh@#e) Would like to hear what people think I should do about this (Apart from turn the stereo up). Is me thinking there is a g/box or wonky input shaft issue my automotive hypochondria or a genuine possibility?!?

Cheers

Chris
 
Actually I found this unacceptable for a car that costs 50-60000 E. I don't rule out the possibility of gear rattle being the cause of this sound (It makes this sound only when it is warm). So what I'm going to try is to fill the gearbox with some transmission oil of higher quality and of course of slightly higher viscocity. If it works, I'll be just fine.
 
alekos911 said:
Actually I found this unacceptable for a car that costs 50-60000 E. I don't rule out the possibility of gear rattle being the cause of this sound (It makes this sound only when it is warm). So what I'm going to try is to fill the gearbox with some transmission oil of higher quality and of course of slightly higher viscocity. If it works, I'll be just fine.

A Ferrari F40 which cost 400,000E gearbox screams like a banshee on the overrun, but it is a characteristic.

Dave
 
If these gearboxes were failing alot I'd worry, but they seem tough as old boots, just a bit noisy, and ultimately it's a sports car with not so much sound proofing and you sat right between diff diff and gearbox, it's never gonna be quiet hehe :)

Mine rattles (a 3.0i not Si), it did when i got it 8k miles ago and it's not got worse, just the nature of the beast :)


Still can't find any info on these breaking so guessing it's fine now.


Dave
 
Hmm intresting news. I changed the original transmission oil for some proper Red Line MTL. This one is specially designed for rattly transmissions and has a slightly higher viscocity than the original one. I must confess that I am quite imressed by how a change an oil change can make..The gearbox now feels very smooth (it was a bit notchy before) and it doesn't rattle. On sunday I covered 800 km tripping through some B-roads and when I finally ground her to a halt only a subtle rattle was there(and I noticed it only because I knew it was there :) ).
 
I enquired about swapping my oil but the BMW lifetime fill spec oil is quite expensive. I will do it though, because lifetime to BMW is likely 60k miles or 5 years, hehe... so I bet the oil is well past it's best!

Might see what Opie Oils recommend, as whatever I put in would be done every 5yrs/60k in future, not left forever (as if they can make an oil that performs well forever!)

Dave
 
The OP's issue is just a rattling thrust bearing on the clutch release fork end.

It's a characteristic of lots of gearbox/clutch mechanisms.

Nothing to worry about now. Mine did it at 60k about 30 months ago, it's still doing it exactly the same approaching 90k miles.

It might not sound particularly nice, but it's fine :D

Dave
 
Alright great thanks, I booked mine in but am half tempted not to bother screwing around since it sounds like a common issue anyway, and I'd rather they don't do anything to make it any worse!
 
After looking into it via various searches and a couple of helpful forum members (big thanks to BenL and Giannis) I also have this on my 64k mile 3 litre. As far as I now it's never not made the 'shudder' on shutdown and as an earlier post says it's very easy to get paranoid about all the noises these cars can make.

My logic was that if performance wasn't different and there were no warning lights then it couldn't have been that bad. Turns out it very common although that could have cost me a lot of money to investigate if Stephen James of Blackheath had anything do do with it. Not their fault they didn't know straight off, but upon asking for an opinion on the noise they said I should book it in for investigation. My guess is they'd have found nothing - or found something they thought it might be that it actually wasn't and charge me anyway!

Thank heavens for other peoples knowledge. :thumbsup:

PS Car still for sale :o
 
Hi Alexos911
Ive recently purchased an approved used z4coupe 3.0 SI. Its a great bit of kit and im over the moon with it. I have also noticed the clutch chatter. After your transmission oil change you mentioned it dampened the chatter and you could no longer hear it. Did you notice the chatter returning at any point?

H :driving:
 
Yes I have noticed it After some spirited drives. But it is a lot less apparent than it used to be. I changed my gearbox oil at 17000 km. Now my car has 38000 km on the clock and it is still the same as it was at 17000 kms.
 
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