Not happy! Need legal advice (housing/parking)

RubyBlueZ4MC

Veteran
 West London
Came home to a very annoying letter at the end of a busy week. Was hoping for some input, particularly from those more legally aware on the following situation…

We live in a managed estate that consists of three roads. Parking is monitored by UKPC and managed by the company managing the estate. There have been parking issues for a while with people either using duplicated visitor passes to park in a visitor bay or just general vehicle abandonment (not that we have really seen much of this down our particular road).

The current parking setup is that all houses have a visitor parking permit that they can display in the window of their car when using a visitor bay (for any car), all other cars will receive parking fines if not displaying these in a bay and not parked on a private drive. We usually have the ///M sit in a visitor bay unless it is used, as the drive and garage have the other two cars from our household in them.

Today we received a letter out of the blue from the managing company telling us that the parking control was going to change. They now are giving each house a permit that must be permanently assigned to one car via registration plate and stuck on windscreen as well as a visitor pass that requires a date written into it each time it is used and its valid for 24 hours from that date. The other main change is that the company managing the estate has told UKPC to only patrol between 7am and 7pm 7 days a week. So effectively our private road becomes a public car park after 7pm and overnight.

The visitor passes will have space for 30 entries of date and time – each valid for 24 h for any car. When this expires we have to pay £27.50 for another 30, which is absurd!

We have to apply for these new permits by the 15th June and then enforcement begins on 1st July.

This makes it harder for us to just leave the ///M out and swap it around with one of our other cars where needed as if we went away for more than one day we would lose the visitor bay or risk a parking ticket. Yes I acknowledge some people may see this as hogging a space but this is a valid use which I took into account when buying the property.

Can the property management company even be allowed to make such radical changes without any form of consultation prior from the residents (there is no residents committee)? Also very concerned about why the road is becoming free-for-all parking after 7pm every day whereas before it still needed parking permit 24/7. There are a number of rented student house shares within the road also and I expect it could just become free parking for them outside of these hours. The visitor permits which cost money to replace just sound dumb and a money-generating ploy on top of a fair bit of money I pay annually for maintenance of the estate.

May have been typing too fast out of frustration so if anything doesn't make sense let me know.
Thanks!
 
Yep that would spoil my week too Ruby , , sorry i can' t offer you any specific advice other than have yourself a Cadbury's Flake & a glass of red , then nothing ever seem's as bad as it did :oops:
 
What does it say in your deeds Ruby? Is there any mention of their or your rights/responsibilities/obligations with regard to the parking? Is this a private road or a local authority road?
 
original guvnor said:
What does it say in your deeds Ruby? Is there any mention of their or your rights/responsibilities/obligations with regard to the parking? Is this a private road or a local authority road?

Its a private road, gated entrance (that opens to anyone). I'm currently hunting for the deeds..they are stored in a highly secure location...I just can't remember where :cry:
 
It sounds like there have been complaints from other neighbours about how long cars are parked in specific spaces.
No way I would be paying to park outside my own house.
Are there not enough spaces for everybody to park if there are a lot of visitors?
Can you make changes to your own driveway to get your car onto your own property?
 
I would have thought any changes would have to go through a period of consultation, during which time objections can be made.
 
Nictrix said:
It sounds like there have been complaints from other neighbours about how long cars are parked in specific spaces.
No way I would be paying to park outside my own house.
Are there not enough spaces for everybody to park if there are a lot of visitors?
Can you make changes to your own driveway to get your car onto your own property?

I think this is a common problem for many London boroughs. There aren't enough visitor bays for everyone to have one at the same time, no. It is a first come first serve basis and on the times when we have missed out on a visitor bay we have had to find elsewhere to park on the street. Generally this is only available after 6pm on public roads as they are all controlled even outside of our estate, and would involve a walk to the house.

Last year when I looked at getting the driveway extended to accommodate two cars, it was a minimum of £1,500... but there is a tree on my land which I am not 100% sure I can uproot as it forms part of the foliage on the estate... all three branches of it.
 
marchantsuk said:
I would have thought any changes would have to go through a period of consultation, during which time objections can be made.

We live across the road from a hospital with a main A&E department, which always has trouble with the amount of parking on site. The letter from the management company says that one of the parking issues is duplicated parking permits being distributed and used by those who otherwise would not be eligible to park.

If there was a consultation, perhaps the suppliers of these duplicated passes would object as it stops them being able to do what they have been doing?

Ideally the consultation process would have been expected yes, I guess I don't like the fact they are making up their own rules as they go along and giving us a month of notice before enforcing these; it is not enough in my eyes (to either make a drive or sell a car)
 
If you are planning on staying there for the next 5 years the extended driveway would be worth it as you will be paying more than that for your visitors parking if you use it every day.
 
Afraid to say that permanently parking in a visitors bay is extremely poor form, and has probably contributed to the changes you have now been made aware of. The nature of a visitors bay is in the name, it is not an extension of your property, but meant to be freely accessible to anybody wanting access of use. It is unlikely for everyone to require a visitor space at the same time, yet to remove one on a full time basis is surely not fair on your neighbours (and probably they are also your friends?).

You have a quote that is not too bad for extending the drive, given you can justify 2 cars in London, so believe there is an answer there! As regards to the tree, you may need to plan ahead. Deep holed drilled in the trunk & filled with salt will help the tree magically cease to live. Please don't try it if the tree is large though, as I'm guessing it is close to your property. Alternatively if the trunk is very fine, hire a van for an hour from Costco & reverse over it. Trees are easy to accidently kill if needed.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant (I've tried to not be more positive than I feel), but my pet peeve is people with more cars than spaces to park, It is ruining roads & developments across the country, not just in london.
 
mj2k said:
Afraid to say that permanently parking in a visitors bay is extremely poor form,

To be honest I was waiting for someone to say that.
I bought my house as a single woman with 2 cars, the Zed and one for work. At the time I was ok with the parking as I could use my garage and the drive. I had contemplated getting a tenant in and thought I could utilise the extra visitor space for their car. Since however my boyfriend has moved in and has his own car which he uses for commuting long distances sometimes. Life changes.
 
Interesting, is your property on a leasehold? Do residents have a share of the freehold or does the management company own it?
 
RubyBlueZ4MC said:
mj2k said:
Afraid to say that permanently parking in a visitors bay is extremely poor form,

To be honest I was waiting for someone to say that.
I bought my house as a single woman with 2 cars, the Zed and one for work. At the time I was ok with the parking as I could use my garage and the drive. I had contemplated getting a tenant in and thought I could utilise the extra visitor space for their car. Since however my boyfriend has moved in and has his own car which he uses for commuting long distances sometimes. Life changes.

Thank you for taking it in the intended spirit, but even thinking a tenant could use a visitors space ongoing is against the principle of communal parking spaces. I'm not a parking Hitler by the way, but have been unable to purchase a couple of almost dream-city-houses that would have perfect if I hadn't felt that due to over population if cars vs garage/drive spaces made it look as though I would be living in an NCP. One development even had people parking on the tendered lawns I was meant to pay for :headbang: so in that sense, I commend you for parking in the visitors bay, not on the grass!

As you say, you cannot predict the future & a partner you love is the the best change in life, ever, and parking falls way down the list :thumbsup:

Hope you get it sorted - there might be neighbours willing to donate their passes also.
 
Sorry to hear of your predicament Ruby, sounds crap to me and something else you don't need to worry about in your life.

Think I would be looking to move as personally I couldn't be having with that kind of arrangement and parking probs but that is unlikely to be a solution for you.

Hope you get it sorted.

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
Sorry to hear of your predicament Ruby, sounds crap to me and something else you don't need to worry about in your life.

Think I would be looking to move as personally I couldn't be having with that kind of arrangement and parking probs but that is unlikely to be a solution for you.

Hope you get it sorted.

Tim.

I don't think I could go through the stress of buying a house again (not yet anyway), it was a very stressful process. Besides I've put a lot of time and effort into getting it just how I want inside and it really feels like home :) . The most likely change is to extend the drive or sell the Zed which I umm and ahh about all the time as its not getting much use (maybe this parking situation is the push I need). I guess I just don't like the management company throwing out new rules without any discussion (feels like being at school). This is my first home so I don't have experience of management companies. I thought earlier about starting a residents association but have no idea how big a job that would be, anyone dabble in that sort of thing?
 
mj2k said:
Afraid to say that permanently parking in a visitors bay is extremely poor form,

I agree lived in a private estate in London until recently with allocated spaces for each apartment and 3 visitors bays ,all the visitors bays were always filled with the same cars ,being a nosey busy body this pissed me off no end ,especially when I had visitors as all the streets around there were permits
 
My parents started a residents association in their last development & regretted it within weeks! Unless you can do it as a specific parking one to create a standardised approach / fair use policy, you will be inundated with things you won't have the time/capacity/ability to give a sh*t about....bins not being stored correctly, garage doors left open! parking wonky! houses with algae growth, roof tiles out of place,....seriously it gets like this once their is a view I'd community areas. If you start this, you will move out of frustration
 
alane29 said:
mj2k said:
Afraid to say that permanently parking in a visitors bay is extremely poor form,

I agree lived in a private estate in London until recently with allocated spaces for each apartment and 3 visitors bays ,all the visitors bays were always filled with the same cars ,being a nosey busy body this pissed me off no end ,especially when I had visitors as all the streets around there were permits

Thing is it gets difficult with 3 and 4 bedroom houses on the estate as families may have a few cars. My neighbours I know for sure play the car shuffle game too as the couple have a car each, their daughter and her bf who frequently visits needs to park somewhere (4 bed house). Theres also a lot of people with garages full of furniture etc/have converted to another room so they will always need an extra visitor spot as households have more than 1 car. At least I'm using my garage.
 
mj2k said:
My parents started a residents association in their last development & regretted it within weeks! Unless you can do it as a specific parking one to create a standardised approach / fair use policy, you will be inundated with things you won't have the time/capacity/ability to give a sh*t about....bins not being stored correctly, garage doors left open! parking wonky! houses with algae growth, roof tiles out of place,....seriously it gets like this once their is a view I'd community areas. If you start this, you will move out of frustration

Maybe this is the next push I need to move :lol:
 
RubyBlueZ4MC said:
TitanTim said:
Sorry to hear of your predicament Ruby, sounds crap to me and something else you don't need to worry about in your life.

Think I would be looking to move as personally I couldn't be having with that kind of arrangement and parking probs but that is unlikely to be a solution for you.

Hope you get it sorted.

Tim.

I don't think I could go through the stress of buying a house again (not yet anyway), it was a very stressful process. Besides I've put a lot of time and effort into getting it just how I want inside and it really feels like home :) . The most likely change is to extend the drive or sell the Zed which I umm and ahh about all the time as its not getting much use (maybe this parking situation is the push I need). I guess I just don't like the management company throwing out new rules without any discussion (feels like being at school). This is my first home so I don't have experience of management companies. I thought earlier about starting a residents association but have no idea how big a job that would be, anyone dabble in that sort of thing?

Quite understand if you're happy with your home and definitely keep the Zed :) Think I would look at the option of extending your drive especially if you plan on staying there long term and would provide a permanent solution. Regarding any trees are you saying there is something that would prevent you removing it, if its on your land and doesn't have a preservation order on it or isn't within a conservation area then not a problem to have it removed.

Tim.
 
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