New 911s all turbocharged

pvr said:
original guvnor said:
It's quite a big car these days
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Yes, that certainly is the case! And wide as well, have to take the coach section on the Channel Tunnel as it does not fit in the standard train.
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Yes pvr! I was looking at two of them in the railway station car park last week and they are very wide!

Sars - I'm not so sure of the journos preferring the new 488. Most reviews I've seen still prefer the 458 Speciale over the 488. You might say "hold on that's not fair - one is a track special and the other an 'everyday' road car" but the 458 was quite old when it was replaced and the Speciale was pretty civilised on the road. I would choose it over the 488. It sounds a-maze-ing, is quicker than you would EVER need on the road (0-100 in less than 7 seconds) -unless you were wanting to be a total bellend - and its got that stratospheric revs character that just makes you want to nail it. I went out for a drive in mine yesterday morning (edit: z4mc not a Speciale unfortunately) at the crack of dawn and just getting 7,900 rpm on those twisty a-roads and hearing the Eventuri sing - it's just magic. I'd gladly sacrifice some performance to keep that. It just sounds so damn good and it's the way it increases in urgency the higher up the range you go. Sometimes less is more. Change isn't always good and it isn't always progress. Just because it does things more efficiently to an engineer that doesn't necessarily mean better. It's a subjective thing and your emotions and how it makes you feel is very important in this type of car.
 
sars said:
So the current 911 Turbo, whats that going to be called then.......

and it's called progress, embrace it, you can't live in the past (I can imagine similar discussions on the introduction of ABS, no we don't want a computer making it easier for you to drive). Don't knock it until you have driven it, the 488 GTB is Turbocharged and pretty much every tester thinks it is an improvement on the 458
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I moaned when ABS came in sars I still hate it :P . Nothing wrong with turbos though. :thumbsup: Still won't be buying a Beetle :lol: .
 
original guvnor said:
pvr said:
original guvnor said:
It's quite a big car these days
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Yes, that certainly is the case! And wide as well, have to take the coach section on the Channel Tunnel as it does not fit in the standard train.
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Yes pvr! I was looking at two of them in the railway station car park last week and they are very wide!

Sars - I'm not so sure of the journos preferring the new 488. Most reviews I've seen still prefer the 458 Speciale over the 488. You might say "hold on that's not fair - one is a track special and the other an 'everyday' road car" but the 458 was quite old when it was replaced and the Speciale was pretty civilised on the road. I would choose it over the 488. It sounds a-maze-ing, is quicker than you would EVER need on the road (0-100 in less than 7 seconds) -unless you were wanting to be a total bellend - and its got that stratospheric revs character that just makes you want to nail it. I went out for a drive in mine yesterday morning (edit: z4mc not a Speciale unfortunately) at the crack of dawn and just getting 7,900 rpm on those twisty a-roads and hearing the Eventuri sing - it's just magic. I'd gladly sacrifice some performance to keep that. It just sounds so damn good and it's the way it increases in urgency the higher up the range you go. Sometimes less is more. Change isn't always good and it isn't always progress. Just because it does things more efficiently to an engineer that doesn't necessarily mean better. It's a subjective thing and your emotions and how it makes you feel is very important in this type of car.
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That is the exact argument about having a manual gearbox versus the newly, much better, faster etc etc PDK. I too sacrifice all that for the fun part rather than the technically better gearbox.
 
But whats the point in having a manual gearbox when it does everything else automatic for you like rev match!!! Bloody stupid you can't turn it off if you ask me! Find it so frustrating on the mini let alone on a 911!
 
tomscott said:
Markets showing it there are barely any 997.2 GTS for sale the ones that are have no spec, high milage or are white. But it seems to be a trend atm, having a look on any of the car sites… there are no manual E46 M3s, E86 M coupes unless your willing to pay silly money. There is a huge resurgence for NA classic atm with barely any cars for sale.
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There are quite a few manual M3's for sale if you look around... Depends what you want i guess....Mint low milers are always gonna be worth good money.. But lets not forget that they are rotten pigs that have terrible chassis issues...

Z4M coupes....Never many for sale... But there is is a few on here with decent miles at right money,and they arent flying out of the door..

Tiko's being the latest bargain.... £12,500 and it sat around,eventually going to trade...
 
PVR- Ah thats good i didn't realise you could.

Cheapest trade M3 coupe Manual with less than 60k on auto trader is £14,990 for a 10 year old with 55k on it.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201508276401341?sort=default&radius=1500&postcode=ca117tu&price-to=17000&page=3&transmission=manual&maximum-mileage=up_to_60000_miles&make=bmw&onesearchad=used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew&model=m3&search-target=usedcars&logcode=p

Other than that there is only one coupe for sale less than £15k.

6 months ago auto trader was full of them from around 11k for a similar car... Manual M3s are usually common as muck.
 
The mpg figures are great if true.

Getting 30mpg on the Z4 twin turbo 3l flat six I think is good just wish it handled as well as a 911 some times.
 
tomscott said:
PVR- Ah thats good i didn't realise you could.

Cheapest trade M3 coupe Manual with less than 60k on auto trader is £14,990 for a 10 year old with 55k on it.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201508276401341?sort=default&radius=1500&postcode=ca117tu&price-to=17000&page=3&transmission=manual&maximum-mileage=up_to_60000_miles&make=bmw&onesearchad=used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew&model=m3&search-target=usedcars&logcode=p

Other than that there is only one coupe for sale less than £15k.

6 months ago auto trader was full of them from around 11k for a similar car... Manual M3s are usually common as muck.
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Yes but your asking for a low mileage car..... They are 10 years old and more,and there where thousands sold but most are at the 100k+ mark...
Like any "M" car,if it done low miles it will bring a premium...The lower miles ones are getting more rare as time goes on..... Naturally...

The dealers have seen a bump in M prices in the last year.....I personally think it is a wave and we will see a fall again in the new year.
There is no way i would be putting 15k into a 10yr old M3......

The E60,E9x are still falling and they are NA...........
 
OG - as always we agree to disagree, but 8k RPM is pretty mega for a turbocharged V8, you have obviously watched the Evo video and like his conclusion thereof, however I preferred Chris's review, and he just loved it :D
 
Liking the styling changes...

Only 911 I've driven was a 996 Turbo, and was left rather er non-plussed by it - just far too easy in any gear (it was a manual). Mrs gannet was worried I'd want one after driving it... but it just put me off. the press releases etc just seem to me to suggest that it'll be a similar experience.

Agree with Tom then - if you want one, get a NA one now...
 
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Good overview of initial responses. Gives a real world video of its noise… it sounds pretty damn good tbh… could be a very interesting car especially the base carrera with pdk and chrono pack giving a 4.2 - 60 and 38mpg… be a pretty incredible daily driver.
 
If the type of people who buy 911s are anything like the type that buy BMWs I imagine they won't even notice or be :P bothered if its turbocharged, just like most BMW owners don't realise they're car is rear wheel drive.

Tim.
 
An interesting development 911 R

http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-to-launch-ultra-fast-manual-transmission-911-r/

Looks like the success of the GT4 has got the guys at Stuttgart finding a new niche - The Manual , Spoilerless GT3 in 911 form. I'd heard that GTS variants may be staying N/A but perhaps based on this they will be termed Rs - and be very very expensive.
 
I can only assume this will be some stupid hard to buy limited run, as it's clearly too good to be true if manufactured in serious numbers. Id be putting my name down for one if i had the money.
 
Yep I think this will be very difficult to get ... Made some enquiries about the Spyder - local porsche centre got 3. So I think this will be more of the same.
 
i don't get it - surely as porsche youd want to sell as many as possible before having to re-invent the 911 again.
 
Saw my first 911.2 in the dealership today - got to say that they have got the rear of this car spot on in comparison to the 991.1 Carrera - the new rear lights and grille rather than vent have given it a really menacing stance - as a few articles have said they look the best stock Carreras for decades.
 
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