My soul was nearly crushed... By a 1 series.

You need to go much lower than a 1 series to experience truly awful car design & engineering :oops:
Last 2 hire cars on holiday have been a Citroen C2 & a Citroen Picasso :cry: now when you,ve experienced those 2 godawful creations for 2 weeks at a time feel free to come back & have a proper moan :P
 
All very harsh IMHO and talk about snobbery :x

I had a 118d loaner Sport and it was perfectly acceptable, felt just as sharp as my Zed in fact it turned in better and the suspension was much better, more comfortable etc.

Downside, the interior does feel and look cheap compared to Audi and VW and it felt quite tinny when shutting the hatch.

As for looks it's bearable but then I think Mercs are ugly :)

Tim.
 
Accept it doesn't float your boat but I'd still
have one over the mainstreams.

I could fit seat covers front and back then :thumbsup:

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
I could fit seat covers front and back then :thumbsup:

Tim.
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:rofl:


But would you do say red covers in the front and blue in the back, or, better still blue for the driver, red the passenger, then black for the back? Oh the mind boggles with opportunity...
 
ZermattV said:
I dont see how the e85 comes into it- this is a car which tries to compete with the new A class and A3 but has an interior that Hyundai wouldn't be proud of . Golf mk 7 makes it look like its a Saturday morning project.

No doubt the bigger engined ones make up for the poor interior and exterior design with their power but the lower engined ones are pretty dull places to be.
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So what do you think of the F30, F10 and F13 interior wise? I only ask because the vast majority of f20 interior/dash interface parts are shared across those models as well. I often think that people like to look for flaws in a the 1 series simply because of where it sits in the model structure. Would I pay £90k for an M6 and be disappointed that I got the same hard plastic facia on my climate control, probably not, I'd be too busy driving the thing instead of stroking the plastics.

Perhaps Mercedes and Audi generally have much better interior quality across the range. However, I didn't find the carbon effect plastic dash with chrome painted plastic and pleather seats in the A250 that I demoed to be vastly better than an M Sport 1 series even in it's base state with alcantara seats. The A3 was, as usual built from much better stuff than the other 2, I thought the Golf was even better though. Pity about the way they drove really.

Nothing wrong with opinions but when they contradict the opinions of the same parts/materials in another shell it's a little bit funny.
 
Well my comment was about the entire package just feeling bloody well boring and crap to me. I find the 3 series nearly as dull with lots of matte plastic, the interior being copied into the 4 series killed any ideas of me getting a 4 series. The 5 and 6 series however are IMHO much better and if I owned BMW I'd do a Porsche approach and start the range at a quality level and not go beneath it. Z4, 5,6,7 series, el Terminado.
 
Maniac said:
Well my comment was about the entire package just feeling bloody well boring and crap to me. I find the 3 series nearly as dull with lots of matte plastic, the interior being copied into the 4 series killed any ideas of me getting a 4 series. The 5 and 6 series however are IMHO much better and if I owned BMW I'd do a Porsche approach and start the range at a quality level and not go beneath it. Z4, 5,6,7 series, el Terminado.
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The trouble with that is that BMW are not Porsche and have to sell the "repmobiles" to make a profit.That sounds critical of your post maniac but isn't meant to be. :)
 
Maniac said:
Well my comment was about the entire package just feeling bloody well boring and crap to me. I find the 3 series nearly as dull with lots of matte plastic, the interior being copied into the 4 series killed any ideas of me getting a 4 series. The 5 and 6 series however are IMHO much better and if I owned BMW I'd do a Porsche approach and start the range at a quality level and not go beneath it. Z4, 5,6,7 series, el Terminado.
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The trouble with that is that BMW are not Porsche and have to sell the "repmobiles" to make a profit.That sounds critical of your post maniac but isn't meant to be. :)
 
Well everyones point is valid, critique away lol... I still hated the blood thing no matter what the pros and cons.
 
Mow flows comment is valid- to be honest of the current BMWs I think the 5 series is the smartest in terms of interior. My main gripe with the 1 interior was badly proportioned things like the door handles and trim around the Idrive- it just isn't very sleek looks almost nineties like due to its organic shaping. I wanted to like the 1 series in xdrive would have been a real contender to replace SWMBOs car- she hated the loaner we had - mainly for the interior.

As I've said clearly the big engined versions of these have their appeal but in the base powered versions surely an A3, Golf is a better bet- none will be exciting to drive but at least the interior will be nice.
 
Would be interesting to know how many on here have driven an F20 in Sport/M sport spec because if it so dull and awful to drive then the Zed is in the same camp IMHO. Different cars granted but the F20 is no worse to drive and ride.

Tim.
 
Funny how people look at things from different perspectives. My daughters just upgraded from a 12 year old Ka to a 1 series Sport and she thinks it's awesome.

Full climate control, remote locking, windows & sunroof. Sports seats with inflatable lumbar, real decent audio system.

I've driven it a couple of times and for £4k it's a lot of car. Drives really well, handles exceptionally well and not a rattle or squeek. Wish I could say that for the Z4 with its bone jarring suspension.

Would I compare my Z4 to the 1 Series - no way. Totally different cars and I'd not swap it at all, but I wish at 21 I'd had something that good...
 
Ok I was expecting a thread on how some one had been left at the lights by a new M135I.

Happy it's not. :D
 
Maniac, go and take an E89 18i out and report back. Probably feel like hanging yourself in that to.

Bet you would have felt much better if it had a bigger engine.
 
No for a change I'm not being enginistic lol In fact if you gave the engine some revs it did move fairly well. I mean its 134bhp, not bad for a 116i. But the whole package just felt really poor and damped. Seating position felt awkward and cramped, I just couldn't get comfy and I spent ages faffing with the seats. The throttle even in sport mode was dead for the first inch. It blipped the throttle when the clutch bit, presumably for the stall tastic drivers out there, ffs. The handbrake, which is a proper one, to use it you had to curl your hand back as its not where your hand is, its six inches before your hand. There was no excitement, no charisma, nothing surprising or that even tweaked a smile from me. Pick it apart all you like lol but it just felt depressing as a whole. I am, despite some comments, entirely allowed to feel that the car, to me, felt horrid. Some I'm sure will love it and think its the best thing ever. I didn't, end of, tough titties. :rofl:
 
cj10jeeper said:
Funny how people look at things from different perspectives. My daughters just upgraded from a 12 year old Ka to a 1 series Sport and she thinks it's awesome.

Full climate control, remote locking, windows & sunroof. Sports seats with inflatable lumbar, real decent audio system.

I've driven it a couple of times and for £4k it's a lot of car. Drives really well, handles exceptionally well and not a rattle or squeek. Wish I could say that for the Z4 with its bone jarring suspension.

Would I compare my Z4 to the 1 Series - no way. Totally different cars and I'd not swap it at all, but I wish at 21 I'd had something that good...
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I agree,my wife has a 123d m sport coupe although not the most comfortable car it has all the bells and whistles and is extremely quick.Might even give my Zed a run for its money.
 
TitanTim said:
Would be interesting to know how many on here have driven an F20 in Sport/M sport spec because if it so dull and awful to drive then the Zed is in the same camp IMHO. Different cars granted but the F20 is no worse to drive and ride.
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We have had an F20 118d Sport since Dec 2011 and while I agree that the external looks are a bit marmite, the interior is nowhere near as bad as has been said - we test drove lots of other models and all had issues with the quality of fit and finish and the F20 easily ended up in the top quarter. It's an excellent drive, very chuckable and has huge reserves of grip, even on RFT, the chassis is superb and could cope with a lot more power - easy to see how they could produce the M135i so cheaply AIUI there were minimal changes to the basic chassis

2alpsade has also backed this up with his own money as Mrs 2alps and he took delivery of an F21 118d Sport earlier this year and they both rate it very highly as a drivers car

A 6er may be better trimmed but, unless you go for the ///M or Alpina versions, it's actually less fun to drive than the F2x
 
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