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paulgs1000 said:craig3.2 said:metal licker said:How's things Bing
Haven't seen you on the forum for a bit,are you spending all your time with the Porsche boys :wink:
Yeah,Allan, haven't seen Bing in a while
He seems to be spending his time with the Porsche /ex z4 owners,and some of the ex Scottish forumite,along with Paulgs1000, which the rest f us,even those in Scotland,are actively not being invited to
Starting to get very divisive.....them and us
(And not all of them are Porsche owners,or even prospective Porsche owners)
As you have mentioned me by name on the public forum I will now respond to your post Craig:
Will you please stop using me as a target for your disappointment at not being invited to non forum runs. None of this is meant to be divisive - yet through your 8 pms you have made it clear to me that you don't wish me to attend any of your forum runs as you blame me for your lack of an invite. I have no decisions about who attends these runs - they are not my runs - I attend many non forum runs as do many other forum members.
My response has obviously not made any difference to your attitude towards me. Have you banned any others from your runs that attended these non forum runs or is it only me?
I have been one of your biggest supporters on this Forum and yet you respond to me this way - it is totally unfair and misdirected.
Further, in response to your pms I explained about my health condition and STILL you continue to single me out and direct your upset at me - and now on this public Forum! Outrageous.
Well I've had enough - Pack it in Craig, it's not good for my health and you have made a big error of judgement over this and made it personal to you - it is not. Stop directing your antagonistic posts at me!
Apologies to other Forum members for this outburst but I cannot just sit at home and steam over such behaviour - I have tried not to be provoked by previous posts but to be honest, ignoring it has makes it worse for me. Apologies again.
I have bit my tongue,metaphorically speaking,and haven't posted anything on this Paul....
My comments were no more offensive than plenty of other stuff on here that people do not get so upset about.
But since you have said plenty,a will now say a few words on the matter.......
In reference to what you said above "I have no decisions about who attends these runs"....
Maybe,maybe not....but when you are saying things about what happened in Skye between us,that you say(in public) is forgotten about,and say the opposite behind my back,and it gets used as the primary reason for me being actively excluded from meets on my own doorstep,with people I had long regarded as "friends",then that to me is underhand and two faced.
And this is not coming from third parties ,but straight from the horse's mouth......or are they lying too??
So please stop trying to act like your words and actions behind my back to others haven't been influencing what has went on.
Enough said.
You are ruining this whole damn forum for me at the moment
BrianD said:
Yes,Brian, back in 2015 at the Skye meet I organised....when certain people wouldn't accept No as an answer when trying to change my planned routes,despite my valid reasons why the routes didn't need changed,and how it would have upset all the planning I had done.
Fast forward to now,and this "long forgotten"disagreement is now the main reason behind me being actively excluded from meets (by others), on my doorstep,so to speak.
As said,tired of this now,and it's all starting to ruin my enjoyment of this fine forum!!
Craig, this is old news which you have aired in public before. You sound like an old record playing the same old song over and over, sounds like you just need to grow up my friend and move on as it's all in your head. This is not in the forum spirit, two respected members having a go at each other . Just stop raking all this stuff up, it is history and no one but you really cares!
. Just stop raking all this stuff up, it is history and no one but you really cares!pvr said:
It's not about people not being invited to every run or meet,people have meets all the time,but
It's about being told the primary reason you were actively not invited to certain meets was because of tension between myself and Paul,over something that he was as much to blame for (if not more,by interfering in other people's routes and planning for a sizeable meet),and that had happened the previous year, and which those people organising said (recent) meets quote it as the main reason for my exclusion,despite not actually being present at said Skye meet,when the disagreement took place.....
Clearly,these people have taken Paul's version of events,as I haven't discussed it with them,and as said they were not present at the Skye run.
This in itself hurt me quite deeply,but hey,what does that matter.
Paul acts like he is always Me nice guy and just trying to help!
Well it's not helping my health any,stressing about why people were not wanting to hear my side of things gone past,or that certain people were asked not to say anything to me about the meets in advance,p putting them in an awkward position.
And it wasn't helpful of Paul when he came on the 2015 National and changed the routes,i bit my tongue and said very little....
Then he wanted to change the routes again in August that same year(just weeks after the National), for various reasons,petrol,better way of doing it,etc and he has said on or through this forum to me,that he was only trying to help,as "he knew the area".
(Does he think that I don't know Skye,etc....I only Lived/worked there,and have been on,travelled to and from many a part of it,Skye included,and driven up there for work,visiting friends who worked there,and on trips or CARCLUB and forum runs??!!)
Not helpful when I said,3 times,that Petrol was available nearby,inc Super,and people needing it had time before we left,and by Reversing the route,asPaul wanted to,would have messed up all my weeks and months of planning Routes,toilet breaks,Lunch booking etc.
Yet this wasn't the answer Paul wanted,so then he went and ignored what I had said,despite it being My Organised meet,not his.....
And then went and gathered several people round him,m ap in hand,explaining how we could do the route in Reverse!!
At which point,i got upset at him,and with valid reason I would think.
I have never ever,and would never do that to him,or anyone else..if I suggested a Route change,etc to a meet organiser,on several occasions,and kept being told No,its fine,and why that wouldn't work,then I would have left it alone....Not try to force the Route change by getting others on side.
As I said,not helpful or a nice thing to do,in my book.
Now it's being used against me,and the main reason why I was actively excluded/not invited ,to recent meets in Scotland by people I had thought as friends,and had been on many runs with over a few years,until some changed cars....but this was a mixed meet of car makes,so not just a Porsche thing either.
So please stop making me out to be the bad guy,folks
BrianD said:Craig, this is old news which you have aired in public before. You sound like an old record playing the same old song over and over, sounds like you just need to grow up my friend and move on as it's all in your head. This is not in the forum spirit, two respected members having a go at each other
Brian,I had long forgotten about it,others clearly hadn't.....and it's only came back up due to it being used against me recently....read my previous post please,before having a go.
Craig, you're not doing yourself any favours. You've been through all this with me and had my response.
People that have met me and you will make their own mind up.
As I said on my final pm to you:
Delighted you're setting up all the runs in Scotland - that's great - I wish you every success with them.
Also every best wish to you and Cheryl on your new arrival.
Don't let this upset your forum involvement - just leave me out of it - no problem.
People that have met me and you will make their own mind up.
As I said on my final pm to you:
Delighted you're setting up all the runs in Scotland - that's great - I wish you every success with them.
Also every best wish to you and Cheryl on your new arrival.
Don't let this upset your forum involvement - just leave me out of it - no problem.
paulgs1000 said:
Yeah,Paul I am sure they will...everyone loves Paul.
How can you not even admit that you were saying such and such behind my back,about what happened in Skye....which Jack himself in a pm,to me,said was the reason for not inviting me on the recent runs in Scotland that he (and yourself) were involved in.
Continue to act all nice in Public,and do the opposite behind my back.....let everyone think of me as the bad guy.
Look at yourself,and stop saying I am unfairly getting at you.
Read my earlier posts in this thread,that echo the pm's I sent you wee while ago,and see how your actions on those occasions were anything but helpful,wanted or nice actions?
If you had Organised a rather decent size,weekend meet,and i had acted the way you had towards you,by ignoring what you were saying to me and reasons why,and getting people to rally round me to go ahead and try to force a route change,i think you,or anyone else would be understandably upset.
I merely mentioned your name in a post,you are the one who opened this can of worms in Public.
And yes,all this crap makes me want to stay of the forum from now on, but then ,why should I because of certain individuals?
And who got who excluded from meets by what's being said behind my back?
People in glass houses,Paul.
Until all this came up,i had long forgotten about Skye.
Recent events brought it back to life.
Z4M-2006 said:
I think that's a bit harsh, if Craig's turn of events are accurate I think he is being singled out due to conflict with another member that is meaning he inst being involved and that isn't what this forum is about.
I appreciate I don't know the full story and i'm sure there must be more to it. I don't either person personally.
If I was Craig and this is how I was bring treated by so called "friends" I'd have a good laugh at how pity people was being and move on with my lift
Guys I'm going to lock this thread. If anyone who has posted wants their posts edited or removed please let one of the Mods know and we will sort it for you.
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