MOT Fail - Handbrake Efficiency

Zulu4 said:
My VW Phaeton (AWD) was designed around the same time as the E85. It has disc brakes all round and uses a cable system to pull the rear pads on for parking (admittedly via a small footbrake). Mrs Wife's Mk1 Ford Kuga AWD had discs all round and used a handbrake & cable to act on the rear pads. Same with our old FIAT Stilo.

except for the phaeton those cars are all in base fwd design and the phaeton is an A8 platform so also not a rwd car.
As I said it's common on older RWD cars, it makes sense that your cars don't have them as they're not RWD platforms.

But it's common in BMW, mercedes, lexus, some jaguars, porsche etc from the pre electronic handbrake era, so not at all uncommon (for base RWD platforms)

I don't know why they use this setup though.
I think it goes back to an era that cars in general had drum brakes (especially at the rear), and that rwd cars in general were the first cars that used disc brakes all around because performance cars used to be RWD in general. (I'm talking about the 60's/70's here).
I think the separate handbrake caliper goes back to that era too.
What also is a reason is that a handbrake setup in the calipers is not possible (or virtually not possible and not compliant with the rules) when you have multiple piston calipers (so pistons on either side). This again is only applicable for high performance cars as only those tend to have such a setup, especially at the rear.
Somehow RWD platforms tend to have different brake systems to FWD/AWD platforms. The way the systems are split is usually also different for some reason so that's another difference. FWD tends to be diagonally split and RWD tends to be front/rear split.

But there are of course also RWD base platforms that have the handbrake in the caliper. A Mazda mx5 for example.
 
You may be interested in the special tool that is available to set and unset the cable tensioner, I had trouble latching mine last time using a stout screwdriver so invested in one of these.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164687349179?hash=item26582185bb:g:CWcAAOSw7elftmf7
 
GuidoK said:
Zulu4 said:
My VW Phaeton (AWD) was designed around the same time as the E85. It has disc brakes all round and uses a cable system to pull the rear pads on for parking (admittedly via a small footbrake). Mrs Wife's Mk1 Ford Kuga AWD had discs all round and used a handbrake & cable to act on the rear pads. Same with our old FIAT Stilo.

As I said it's common on older RWD cars, it makes sense that your cars don't have them as they're not RWD platforms.
Interesting info there GuidoK. :thumbsup: I'm learning.

The only one of those RWD cars I've owned is a 1997 Jaguar XJ. I guess I never had need to look at its rear brakes.

I'm not wishing to argue, just explain - You actually said "RDW" cars, so I wasn't too sure what you meant. (Also, to be pedantic, the Phaeton is based on the Bentley Continental GT platform [VW D1 platform] and there were some RWD only Phaetons :wink: ).
 
Zulu4 said:
You actually said "RDW" cars, so I wasn't too sure what you meant.
Ok, I'm a bit amaized that that kind of typo can cause hesitation on a car forum, and especially a bmw forum :roll:
I guess it stands for rear driven wheels :lol:

anyway, the drum handbrake setup is maybe even the most used one on RWD cars, as both mercedes and BMW use it abundantly and I suspect they are the biggest RWD car manufacturers from the last 40 years (at least for cars sold in europe). They certainly put out larger production numbers than phaetons or bentleys :wink:
 
I said it was a pita! But once you have done it once, you will have forgotten again in 40k miles when it needs doing again.
I didn't follow all the other high tech brake stuff.
 
colb said:
You may be interested in the special tool that is available to set and unset the cable tensioner, I had trouble latching mine last time using a stout screwdriver so invested in one of these.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164687349179?hash=item26582185bb:g:CWcAAOSw7elftmf7

Wished I had tbh!! Ended up using the end of one of those Irwin Quick Grip clamps which worked better.

MOT passed second time of asking thankfully!!
 
TheDan said:
colb said:
You may be interested in the special tool that is available to set and unset the cable tensioner, I had trouble latching mine last time using a stout screwdriver so invested in one of these.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164687349179?hash=item26582185bb:g:CWcAAOSw7elftmf7

Wished I had tbh!! Ended up using the end of one of those Irwin Quick Grip clamps which worked better.

MOT passed second time of asking thankfully!!
Good news.
Did they tell you how efficient it is now?
 
enuff_zed said:
Good news.
Did they tell you how efficient it is now?

No annoyingly! But it was the end of the day and the "re-test" took only about 5 minutes, so I doubt they even put it on the machine...! Not complaining though! :evil:

It holds me pretty well on steep hills now at 4/5 clicks so definitely improved.
 
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