Migrant crises

The pictures of the dead child on a greek beach is truely heart rending for everyone and the father of that dead child is receiving a great deal of sympathy and no doubt eventual asylum. But I would argue that he deserves to be prosecuted and strung up by the bollocks. They were no doubt fleeing war and persecution and acted as any parent would do by getting the hell out of Syria, but there is no war or persecution in Turkey from where he set sail to Greece. His family was safe in a muslim country and yet he risked his childs life for what? What exactly was his reason to risk killing his child?
 
There lies the problem, a refuge turns into an economic migrant at that stage. However that UKIP person got vilified for putting that in a tweet though.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens over the weeks and months once the rest of the Syrian population see the welcome in Munich. I wonder if Germany has now made a rod for its own back. How do you stop hundreds of thousands of people making for one country especially if they adopt the determination at Calais. It wasn't just Syrians mingled amongst the immigrants.

Tim.
 
Not everyone has the good fortune of being born in a good country. I managed to escape mine, so I can empathise with these people and wish things turn out better for all involved.
 
Nanu said:
The pictures of the dead child on a greek beach is truely heart rending for everyone and the father of that dead child is receiving a great deal of sympathy and no doubt eventual asylum. But I would argue that he deserves to be prosecuted and strung up by the bollocks. They were no doubt fleeing war and persecution and acted as any parent would do by getting the hell out of Syria, but there is no war or persecution in Turkey from where he set sail to Greece. His family was safe in a muslim country and yet he risked his childs life for what? What exactly was his reason to risk killing his child?
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From what I read somewhere he actually had a job and a house in Turkey and had been staying there since 2012.
Also something about going to Europe for the free healthcare.
 
Nanu said:
The pictures of the dead child on a greek beach is truely heart rending for everyone and the father of that dead child is receiving a great deal of sympathy and no doubt eventual asylum. But I would argue that he deserves to be prosecuted and strung up by the bollocks. They were no doubt fleeing war and persecution and acted as any parent would do by getting the hell out of Syria, but there is no war or persecution in Turkey from where he set sail to Greece. His family was safe in a muslim country and yet he risked his childs life for what? What exactly was his reason to risk killing his child?
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800k migrants coming in Germany, statistically migrants in Germany are 3 times more likely to be unemployed compared to their German counterpart.

So increasing the unemployment by this number in a group with different ethics and religion is not going to end well.
 
ronk said:
I comes back to the question :-

Refugee or Migrant ?
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I would say both Ronk, yes there are genuine families from Syria fleeing the conflict and who just want a better safer life, you can't blame them for that but when you look at the people alot appear to be young single men who I feel should be staying as close to their home country as possible so when all this sorry state is over they and any skills they have would be better put to use in rebuilding their own country than pushing pizza leaflets through yours and mine door.

There are also people from other countries such as Pakistan who appear to have joined in the free for all, where does it stop once people realise they will be given handouts, houses? work? money? if they travel to countries who are willing to take them in and dish it out. End of the day it will be your local council who are invaribly cash strapped and who we pay our taxes too who are going to have pick up the pieces at a local level and thats when you will start getting resentment from people already on the housing waiting lists etc and looking for work.

I think countries should take in a quota based on indivuduals plight and their genuine asylum status than just letting people in enmass.

Tim.
 
I'm in the refugees yes - migrants no camp!

(The migrants I refer to here are the non skilled masses who appear to want the milk and honey from the better off euro countries)
 
I think it's worth keeping an open mind to allowing these war affected people find a new home (some of them will want to return if possible - however unlikely that will be). The media in the UK has dragged down "immigrants" in the eyes of the general public, but these are not "chancers" here to feed off the state and get free NHS. They are fathers, mothers, children, graduates, professionals, people with their own lives, careers, houses, families - destroyed because of war. Some parts of Europe need to pull itself together and help these people. For Germany this could be a blessing in disguise. They have millions of skilled job openings and not enough workers. Having read how the Austrians and Germans are welcoming them... it does make you sit up and think. This could break Europe, or make it far stronger.
 
Nanu said:
The pictures of the dead child on a greek beach is truely heart rending for everyone and the father of that dead child is receiving a great deal of sympathy and no doubt eventual asylum. But I would argue that he deserves to be prosecuted and strung up by the bollocks. They were no doubt fleeing war and persecution and acted as any parent would do by getting the hell out of Syria, but there is no war or persecution in Turkey from where he set sail to Greece. His family was safe in a muslim country and yet he risked his childs life for what? What exactly was his reason to risk killing his child?
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From what I have read, I don't think the camps in Turkey are Disney Land. They are over crowded slums, running out of money and food with no prospects in sight, no way to work legally in Turkey, so no way to work out of poverty - who wants that for their child? Who knows how many years until they can return to Syria, if ever. Hundreds of thousands of people have already made it to Europe - he probably thought he would be a coward for staying there and not giving his child a chance at a better life. My 2 cents.
 
Stringing him up by the bollocks wouldn't even rate on the scale of how he will be feeling now, and for the rest of his life. And he's only one of many whom, I guess, have done the same. Pretty sure there were a lot of Jewish fathers who took similar risks with their families during WW2. The only difference is that the people today are basically just collateral trying to move out of harm's way whilst others fight around them.
 
The UN humanitarian agencies are on the verge of bankruptcy just to add to it all. The global funding is between 20 and 30 billion, a paltry figure considering the worlds wealth, as usual it's a few who are mega rich so an un-even spread of wealth.

Putting the causes and any possible solution to this crisis aside 20 - 30 is very low globally.
 
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