Michelin PS2's

[Anonymous]

Finally got round to ordering new boots for my 3.0 and getting rid of the damned RFT's after two years! I couldn't stand another full set of them after replacing just the rears last year.

Cannot wait to try out the feel of them, will the tramlining be gone, will the pogo stick effect when you pull away from lights on an uneven surface be a thing of the past? All will be revealed this thursday.......

In the meantime, I'm paying £666 all in, fitted balanced etc (£278 front, £388 rear). Is this a reasonable deal? I looked at Black Circle and etyres on line and this deal beat them both by a good £40 plus.

Comments would be welcomed, and I'll name and shame the fitter as long as you lot don't tell me I've been ripped off!

Anybody interested in making me an offer on a couple of Bridgestone RE 050 runflats 255/35 R18 with a good amount of tread left?

 

[gannet]

I just switched to PS2 ZP and the ride is much much better Even the tramlining has gone and Im not afraid of potholes any more...

If you are on 18's, £666 looks like a damn good price to me

I went through Best Buy Tyres for mine.

 

[Herminator]

It's a shame they're not fronts you've got left over. I could do with a couple.
I'm eager to switch to non run flats since the "fun" roads near me seem to have my car bouncing all over but my rears are fairly new and only one front is close to needing replaced.

 

[tedster]

ethansdad, thats a cracking price fitted where did you get them tyres from mate?

 

[JamesF]

Cannot wait to try out the feel of them, will the tramlining be gone, will the pogo stick effect when you pull away from lights on an uneven surface be a thing of the past? All will be revealed this thursday.......

Probably not entirely, no. But they are a good tyre. Maybe I should switch to 18s - costs me around £550 for a set of rears!

I can recommend Event Tyres if anyone is after a decent mobile fitter

 

[plowy]

Guys..Guys..Guys...

When is everyone gonna wake up and smell the coffee... :!:

Before i say this i have had PS2's, and just about all other major brands on my BMW cars over the last 7 years so i feel well qualified to say this but you are being ripped off big style paying those sort of prices for the likes of PS2's and other branded stuff.

I have recently fitted the second set of Falken FK452's to my 3.0i Z4 and they are more than a match for any other tyre on the market, i do at least three track days a year, i did the Ring in April (in the wet !! ) and there are absolutly no down sides to fitting this rubber they are simply fantastic and the best bit of all is that my latest set cost me £329.00 fully fitted and balanced.

Check prices at www.camskill.co.uk

alternatively you can of course continue to pay just about double the price for the name

 

[Aebous]

My opinion doesn't really count as I've only had the runflats and Falken FK452's. But I agree with Plowy. The 452's are great, I'll definitly get them again once I turn them to slicks.

 

[azroadie]

Guys..Guys..Guys...

When is everyone gonna wake up and smell the coffee... :!:

Before i say this i have had PS2's, and just about all other major brands on my BMW cars over the last 7 years so i feel well qualified to say this but you are being ripped off big style paying those sort of prices for the likes of PS2's and other branded stuff.

I have recently fitted the second set of Falken FK452's to my 3.0i Z4 and they are more than a match for any other tyre on the market, i do at least three track days a year, i did the Ring in April (in the wet !! ) and there are absolutly no down sides to fitting this rubber they are simply fantastic and the best bit of all is that my latest set cost me £329.00 fully fitted and balanced.

Check prices at http://www.camskill.co.uk

alternatively you can of course continue to pay just about double the price for the name

SHHHHHHH.....shouldn't we keep the Falkens our little secret so they don't start pricing like the "name brands"?!!!?

 

[JamesF]

Wow!! The Michelins are now up to £1100 a set from Event Tyres. Will have to seriously think about a switch next time they get down to slicks.

 

[plowy]

Wow!! The Michelins are now up to £1100 a set from Event Tyres. Will have to seriously think about a switch next time they get down to slicks.

At £1100 a set your having to think about switching next time...:dizzy:

Come on mate have you got money to burn...; :?

 

[plowy]

My opinion doesn't really count as I've only had the runflats and Falken FK452's. But I agree with Plowy. The 452's are great, I'll definitly get them again once I turn them to slicks.

Your opinion does count coz you know how good the Falkens are..... :wink:

 

[JamesF]

Wow!! The Michelins are now up to £1100 a set from Event Tyres. Will have to seriously think about a switch next time they get down to slicks.

At £1100 a set your having to think about switching next time...:dizzy:

Come on mate have you got money to burn...; :?

They seem to have just jumped in price. Though they were never cheap. Thing is on my old car I switched to some cheaper tyres that a few people on a forum had been raving about and I didn't get on with them and never switched to the choice expensive tyre (£450 for a set - expensive ) until right before I sold the car, always regretted it. So stuck with the PS2s on the Alpina. Wanted to switch to the Goodyear F1 Asyms but can't get them anywhere in the rear size. I'd have more fun on the Falkens I think as I could see them much more as consumables and not worry about turning the TC off.

 

[GP20]

Will be interested in hear some opinions about the PS2's. I've had 5 sets of Goodyear Eagle F1's and absolutely love them and love the tread pattern. But they're discontinued, and the asymmetrics don't come in the sizes I want. So I'll be getting a set of PS2's pretty soon.

 

[Aebous]

My opinion doesn't really count as I've only had the runflats and Falken FK452's. But I agree with Plowy. The 452's are great, I'll definitly get them again once I turn them to slicks.

Your opinion does count coz you know how good the Falkens are..... :wink:

Yeah, but nothing to really compare them too except the runflats. I think I could put my truck tires on and be better than the runflats.

 

[Anonymous]

Morning all, thanks for the comments to my original post.

Tedster, the fitter is "Tyremen" from Clitheroe here in Lancashire (01200 422277). I used them for my wife's RX8 last month and they came up with the best deal on RE 050's (runflats!) for hers.

They're a small company but the service was spot on; they'd been recommended to me by a mate who's always used them for a variety of cars, M3's, 911's, Range Rovers, TVR's etc, so I had no worries that the alloys were going to be trashed etc and that the fitting was correct.

Plowy, fair comment about the falkens, maybe I should have considered it, but to be honest I had a very bad experience on my old 330 conv when I switched from Bridgestone to Dunlops in an effort to save a few quid and always regretted it, right up to selling the car. I vowed always to put what I perceived to be the best possible tyre I could find for the car.

For sure, my wallets going to be considerably lighter, but time will tell I guess!

I'll try and offer my observations on the PS2's after Thursday.

Cheers

E'd Dad

 

[Andy]

I'd have more fun on the Falkens I think as I could see them much more as consumables and not worry about turning the TC off.

now there's an idea... exactly what i was thinking. call me a hooligan, but id prefer to do twice as many donuts a year and still be 99% as good on the road... for that price its hard not to be tempted. Am I the only one still on Contis?

 

[ted350z]

I have Goodyear Eagle F1 assymetric on my z4 coupe and I think they are excellent. (What wouldn't compared to the runflats) Full set for £530.

"So what",I hear you cry "What does this guy know about tyres - of course new tyres are going to be better than the wornout ones you have just taken off."

Don't take my word for it.

Two magazine tests, evo and autocar had the Goodyears win over the PS2 and others.

In the evo test which was carried out under rigorous conditions the testers were "blind" to the tyres on the car so they could not be influenced/biased by any preconception of the tyre.

This is the type of information you should make an informed decision on buying tyres not individual opinion.

Ed

 

[plowy]

This is the type of information you should make an informed decision on buying tyres not individual opinion.Ed

Don't agree on that one Ed, individual opinion is recommendation and how many things in life do we do on recommendation...

Tests such as the one in EVO mag are good pointers but i personally would want owners experience to back it up coz no matter how much you say the testers were all blind folded you just don't know how much Goodyear has thrown into the coffers of the magazine, and that does happen....

 

[Blacklines]

After reading that Evo test I bought the Vredesteins that finished 2nd. I have got through 3 rear pairs and 1 front pair. Great tyres and half the only 60% of the cost of PS2's.

Full set for CSL 19 inch wheels cost £660 all in - and fitted by someone who takes his time and causes no damage.

 

[ted350z]

Plowy

I agree personal recommendation is something we rely on a great deal. I do not discount it, however there are problems.

With tyres I would put more reliance on back to back tested, new tyres under test conditions with the assessor not knowing the tyre on the car. In addition three seperate testers were used in the evo test.

This volume of information is certainly more meaningful than bloke a saying he recommends tyre x and bloke b recommending tyre y when they may or may not have tried the other tyre. If they have this is most likely been sequencially rather than in a back to back test.

In additon to this the fact tyre x is twice the price of tyre y bloke a may be biassed because he wants to justify spending so much more on his tyres. You can get as many diffrent recommendations as there are people making them.

If I was to need a hip replacement I would certainly take a surgeons name on recommedation but I would not rely on this alone. I would be intrested to know his complication rates across the board. In addition I would not use a certain companies hip replacement because someone thet had one and they said it was ok. I would insist on knowing the long term follow up and survivourship data for a large number of cases.

Personnal recommendation for somethings and from some people is worthless. The problem is who's recommendation do you trust?

In general terms expert opinion is the weakest form of evidence. A properly blinded trial is far more meaningful.

The evo trial is not with out possible flaws. I accept the bias of the type you decribe is a possibility but there were two magazines that came up with the same outcome.The evo test was done at the Bridgestone test facility surely they were more likely to have a vested intrest in the result? In spite of this I believe this evidence is much more powerful than recommendation.

Perhaps trying getting evo to use Falkens for their next test would be a worthwhile endevour?

Ed