M market watch

Time will tell but the market has slowed a little and its very seasonal. But they can only keep going up, there was a point where owners were starting to get rid of cars 60-70k 8 years old as the cars need attention outside of their service schedual from that point on which isn't cost shattering but at the time cars of that age were 10-11k (roadsters) cost to sort is between 1-2k so a decent investment (10-20% value)

Being a buyer its a good idea to be aware of consumables like engine mounts, loose/rusty bolts, bearings, belts, inspections etc

I have called pretty much every dealer on autotrader about the cars for sale. Currently 90% of the cars for sale on Autotrader need most of the above or have missed important service intervals. With current costs of 14-20k if it needs an inspection 2, half shaft bearings, engine mounts your out the best part of £2.5k. From negotiating with dealers most are unaware and not willing to deal and it can leave you with costs you don't really estimate for. All is fine really as the cars still aren't expensive really and are getting old but worth bearing in mind as buying to jump on the quick buck bandwagon might not work out.

Perfect example :- currently looking at Boxster S's too similar age etc. Went to see a lovely car with 30k on it. Bolts etc tend to rust and need replacing no big job. Also the front radiators are quite exposed and have a shelf life of 6-8 years, if the aircon is not ice cold then it generally doesn't need re-gassing as the aircon is on by default all the time, its more likely there is a leak. The car was reasonable at £17,500 08 30k with a really great spec. I got it up on a ramp to look around and the front rad had a leak, when one goes the other follows quickly. The exhaust was about to fall off as the bolts had rusted through.

When a rad goes you need to replace as a pair, with the age the pipes will need replacing too as well as the AC rads so 4 radiators and pipes about £800 +Vat. Needed new tyres all round £800-1000, full wheel refurb, needed a service within 6 months and a drive belt £500. So best case was £2300 another 400 for a wheel refurb. Dealer wasn't willing to entertain anything but the bolts, they had knocked £200 off the car so they wouldn't negotiate with that either.

All in the car would have been £20200. I left it with the dealer to make a decision or I would walk away.

Went over a few days later to be told the car had a deposit dropped unseen. The guy had a shady credit history so they were waiting for him to prove his worth etc so it might still be available to me... But at the end of the day the dealers aren't bothered they will sell the car with minimal effort and issues. So I left with the thought that to this guys its probably his dream car, hes had issues with money in the past and has maybe turned a corner and bought this car and maybe doesn't have the knowledge to look over the car in the same way I did and will find in 6 months he needs to find 3-4k as left these issues could cause significant damage to other areas of the car, like if the exhaust falls off etc.

I only know because I stupidly bought a Porsche without having an inspection first took it for one a week later because of a knocking noise and found the car had piston slap and so the guy felt sorry for me and showed me underneath and spent a decent time showing me what to look for in the future. I had to take it back as an engine rebuild was worth more than the car fortunately I got my money back.

My point is dealers don't have a clue. Especially these ones that are 'specialists' with Porsche, BMW, Merc, Ford etc on the forecourt you cant be a specialist in everything and know the ins and outs of all cars. If your to buy, buy from a specialist that deals with one brand and your more likely to get a better car.

Best advice is just do some homework or it can land you with money you don't expect to spend and that's mostly the things you can see not what you cant. Or best case is get it looked at by a specialist but in the BMW world its not easy to find an M specialist.
 
afennell said:
have you seen the price of z3m.

Your looking at 15k for a 90k mile one, it was only 4-5 years ago you could pick one up for 7-8k.
I image BMW seeing the Z4 going the same way, along with traders like Target who seem to buy up Z4s and TVRs along with others.

IMO the Z3M is different as it has a cult following and was the first, the roadsters were never really that popular but have crept up. It does seem the Z4m is going in a similar direction
 
I think most na I6 manual M BMW's will go up in value! z4m is next on the list :)

I'm tempted to get one next year or go for an e46 m3.
 
tomscott said:
afennell said:
have you seen the price of z3m.

Your looking at 15k for a 90k mile one, it was only 4-5 years ago you could pick one up for 7-8k.
I image BMW seeing the Z4 going the same way, along with traders like Target who seem to buy up Z4s and TVRs along with others.

IMO the Z3M is different as it has a cult following and was the first, the roadsters were never really that popular but have crept up. It does seem the Z4m is going in a similar direction

The March edition of Octane has a short piece on the future classics to buy in 2017 - they've tagged the Z4MC as one to get into precisely because of the trajectory of the Z3MC. They seem to think only 200 Z4MC's were imported though - wasn't sure whether that was true or not?
 
z4pilot said:
tomscott said:
afennell said:
have you seen the price of z3m.

Your looking at 15k for a 90k mile one, it was only 4-5 years ago you could pick one up for 7-8k.
I image BMW seeing the Z4 going the same way, along with traders like Target who seem to buy up Z4s and TVRs along with others.

IMO the Z3M is different as it has a cult following and was the first, the roadsters were never really that popular but have crept up. It does seem the Z4m is going in a similar direction

The March edition of Octane has a short piece on the future classics to buy in 2017 - they've tagged the Z4MC as one to get into precisely because of the trajectory of the Z3MC. They seem to think only 200 Z4MC's were imported though - wasn't sure whether that was true or not?

588 to the UK. They're a lot rarer than the combination of S50 and S54 Z3MCs. For me the Z4MC was a great solution - I had a Z3MC but this is just so much more usable, has better build quality (particularly rustproofing and that bloody boot floor issue), and is in many ways more exciting.

The only thing I miss about the Z3MC is a proper linear throttle. I'm still not a fan of electronic throttles as they seem to adjust their sensitivity all the time, making it harder to rev match on a heel toe downshift.
 
Ye the Z4M is a better car in everyway and you get the S54.

Only thing that I think is better is I love the seats in the Z3M and the nostalgia of the coupe the design is awesome but the Z4M if you want to drive it.
 
mr wilks said:
VRSteve said:
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/3.2-M/Solihull/1767085-606156015-3497238.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_


Ex forum car???


http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=93240

What's interesting to me is that the dealers are prepared to take examples that do not have full BMW main dealership service history... I thought that was a no no!?
 
JAD said:
mr wilks said:
VRSteve said:
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/3.2-M/Solihull/1767085-606156015-3497238.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_


Ex forum car???


http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=93240

What's interesting to me is that the dealers are prepared to take examples that do not have full BMW main dealership service history... I thought that was a no no!?

Nah, thats not been the case for a while, since cars are now able to be serviced at any VAT registered garage which used correct / genuine parts for servicing , a lot of cars are serviced outside of the Main dealer network. I remember when I bought my approved used 320d - it had a quickfit service in the book! However this is perfectly acceptable for an approved used car now apparently.
 
JAD said:
mr wilks said:
VRSteve said:
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/3.2-M/Solihull/1767085-606156015-3497238.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_


Ex forum car???


http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=93240

What's interesting to me is that the dealers are prepared to take examples that do not have full BMW main dealership service history... I thought that was a no no!?

It's all at their discretion, including missed and overdue servicing. It's why i rejected my last ///M as although they went on about only buying cars with full BMW history the one they sold me missed an oil service by 8 months. This was back in 2011 on a 2006 ///MR.
 
jamie_z4 said:
JAD said:
mr wilks said:
http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=93240

What's interesting to me is that the dealers are prepared to take examples that do not have full BMW main dealership service history... I thought that was a no no!?

Nah, thats not been the case for a while, since cars are now able to be serviced at any VAT registered garage which used correct / genuine parts for servicing , a lot of cars are serviced outside of the Main dealer network. I remember when I bought my approved used 320d - it had a quickfit service in the book! However this is perfectly acceptable for an approved used car now apparently.

Everyday is a school day! :thumbsup:
 
Technically no because BMW aren't supposed to offer a warranty without FBMWSH probably why they offer these 5 year service packages now.

I'm sure a few slip through the net. Every beemer ive bought from BMW has had FBMWSH.
 
tomscott said:
Technically no because BMW aren't supposed to offer a warranty without FBMWSH probably why they offer these 5 year service packages now.

I'm sure a few slip through the net. Every beemer ive bought from BMW has had FBMWSH.

That was my thinking, but quite a few of the Sytner ones have Indie stamps from reading posts on here about sellers on the forum.
 
tomscott said:
Technically no because BMW aren't supposed to offer a warranty without FBMWSH probably why they offer these 5 year service packages now.

I'm sure a few slip through the net. Every beemer ive bought from BMW has had FBMWSH.

Nope, just has to have FSH now, not FBMWSH.
 
Interestingly, Synter have put a black Z4M with 63k on it into a BCA auction tomorrow.

https://auctionview.british-car-auctions.co.uk/Results/LotDetail/48997697344e490486ad3124bc64efc7?VehId=d065bce8-e0ca-4c85-8100-1cdc9826edac&FromSearch=true&searchQuery=q=BMW%20Z4&bq=&sort=Relevance&missingMileage=True&page=1&extraFiltersActive=true&returnTo=MA06DLX&Source=Search&selectedVehicleIds=

You'll need to register and login to see it.
 
Angelus666 said:
We really don't do ourselves any favours with this thread...I for one hope he dealer gets every penny out of that £20k...!

Here we go again :roll:
The seller clearly struggled to get any interest around £14k on a enthusiast forum so that tells you something about either the car , the history or the market appetite
 
mr wilks said:
Angelus666 said:
We really don't do ourselves any favours with this thread...I for one hope he dealer gets every penny out of that £20k...!

Here we go again :roll:
The seller clearly struggled to get any interest around £14k on a enthusiast forum so that tells you something about either the car , the history or the market appetite

Latter, let's not kid ourselves. My S3 with quattro sold instantly in December. Every single one of my father's soft tops sold quickly in April-Sept. Not a shun at the OP's sales knowledge, as appreciate there were outside circumstances (right car, wrong time etc), but a bonkers time of year to sell a soft top, RWD car such as a Z4M.

I work closely with sales and can see exactly what the dealer is doing. £20k now while it's snowing - what a bonkers price! £18k in March/April with "RECENTLY REDUCED, WOW WHAT A STEAL THIS MUST BE" terminology reeling in Joe Public. Simple tactics and a tasty profit.
 
VRSteve said:
Interestingly, Synter have put a black Z4M with 63k on it into a BCA auction tomorrow.

https://auctionview.british-car-auctions.co.uk/Results/LotDetail/48997697344e490486ad3124bc64efc7?VehId=d065bce8-e0ca-4c85-8100-1cdc9826edac&FromSearch=true&searchQuery=q=BMW%20Z4&bq=&sort=Relevance&missingMileage=True&page=1&extraFiltersActive=true&returnTo=MA06DLX&Source=Search&selectedVehicleIds=

You'll need to register and login to see it.

Knackered roof then! Condition is graded as 4 which I think is at the poor end. Someone's trade in? Wonder if the service history is a bit lacking? If it was simple fixes you'd think Sytner would have fixed them and have it on the forecourt for top money. Be interesting to see where MA06DLX pops back up in the next few weeks.
 
mr wilks said:
Angelus666 said:
We really don't do ourselves any favours with this thread...I for one hope he dealer gets every penny out of that £20k...!

Here we go again :roll:
The seller clearly struggled to get any interest around £14k on a enthusiast forum so that tells you something about either the car , the history or the market appetite

Not really, someone advertising a car only on an enthusiast web site for a month or so around winter time does not tell me anything about the car or market. I would want to see the car before before commenting. Also its value is relative depending on an individual. Some people will pay a few k more just to buy from bmw direct.
 
breezer said:
tomscott said:
Technically no because BMW aren't supposed to offer a warranty without FBMWSH probably why they offer these 5 year service packages now.

I'm sure a few slip through the net. Every beemer ive bought from BMW has had FBMWSH.

Nope, just has to have FSH now, not FBMWSH.

Not even that.

Stuart Truman's ///M is another prime example that was under serviced and sold AUC with warranty. Only condition was a service 2 had to be done to mae the warranty valid.
 
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