M market watch

mr wilks said:
Is it me or is the ///Market going the wrong way :? a 104k & a 111k ZMC both dealers both at £13995 ask price so room to go lower :cry:
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My insurance valuation in mid-2016 was (before the addition of £5k for declared mods) £9.5k on a 150k mile, individual-spec Z4MC, and the closest I could find for insurance comparison was a 130k mile one for £13.5k.

If I'd have taken the insurance settlement of say £14k, then I could have bought that 130k miler and then spent another £5k getting it to the spec/level on my own (new clutch & flywheel, new diff, PSS10 suspension, Gruppe-M, Rogue Diablos). But it would never have made it an £18k car, so I pushed (with the help of a very detailed engineer's report) the insurance company to repair.

Mine will probably always be the very lowest end of the market if I was to sell, but I won't :P
 
How many cars fit into this summary?

0-60 5 secs
Non-turbo
less than £25k to buy a good one
1500 kg or less
rare

Will always be desirable in my eyes, not really bothered how much it's worth as I'm not selling :)
 
flimper said:
How many cars fit into this summary?

0-60 5 secs
Non-turbo
less than £25k to buy a good one
1500 kg or less
rare

Will always be desirable in my eyes, not really bothered how much it's worth as I'm not selling :)
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Ditto - I'd only sell mine to get a Silver Grey coupe!!
 
Angelus666 said:
Ewazix said:
It will be interesting to see where the performance and collector car markets go, I remember the classic and investment car bubble bursting in about 1990, it looks like a re-run is underway and once the chatter starts people bail out, slowly at first as sellers hold out for their price, then reality kicks in and they sell at a loss. It happened big style in 1990 and I'm sure it will again.
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The world is a very different place to that period, and we are still in short supply compared to the global demand for classic performance cars. I've got a gut feeling that 2020 will come along and people will go, oh, Brexit, that seemed a lot of hot air over nothing....
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I've gotta agree with that. Remember the millennium bug, the world was going to end? Bird flu, the world was going to end? The financial crisis, the world was going to end etc? I've personally never been affected by any doomsday horror scenarios. Apart from cheaper mortgage repayments.

Seems to me that things always seem to work out. Keep calm and drive your M's! :thumbsup:
 
Angelus666 said:
Ewazix said:
It will be interesting to see where the performance and collector car markets go, I remember the classic and investment car bubble bursting in about 1990, it looks like a re-run is underway and once the chatter starts people bail out, slowly at first as sellers hold out for their price, then reality kicks in and they sell at a loss. It happened big style in 1990 and I'm sure it will again.
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The world is a very different place to that period, and we are still in short supply compared to the global demand for classic performance cars. I've got a gut feeling that 2020 will come along and people will go, oh, Brexit, that seemed a lot of hot air over nothing....
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Pretty sure I didn't mention the B word :?

The cash Vs asset and other market fluctuations are cyclical and totally predicable in terms of effect, but not timing. As soon as everybody starts treating purchases like a property or car as an investment and prices bubble, the result is predicable. I agree that the ///M is a great car, last of the iron horses etc etc. I'm just saying that the market pundits, movers and shakers are all talking about a price reversal for collectors cars. It has an effect and becomes self fulfilling. The same is happening with other assets, worldwide, including property, art, antiques etc etc. Time will tell. :|

Buy to drive :driving:
 
Took the Z4MR to BMW the other day to look at a JCW Mini and while we were there the i3. Bizarrely preferred the i3, perhaps because expectations were lower and it's fun, quick, different.

Anyway, whilst walking back to the Zed, a BMW salesman was admiring it ... his opening line was "you're not trading that in are you ... just don't, there is only one way that is going!"

:D
 
I didn’t buy my //M to make money - bought it for me for the nostalgia, rarity, look, beautifully engineered engine, spec, colour & condition I wanted.

& as previously mentioned above, where can you buy a stock sub 5 second car for the current money in good cond... bundled up in a timeless shape

Learning recently well cared for convertable //M’s in Europe with 100k miles on the clock are going for £30k, am not bothered... the bubble may burst but every time it’ll comes back, bigger & stronger.

The passion these evoke is indescribable... with its faults...doesn’t matter to me. What does is having a chat with reasonable folk I wouldn’t normally get to meet, many of which have selflessly helped me out - some which just decide to come over & chat when parked up, though fortunately the misses hasn’t been about when some of them do - long may it continue, as bourne out by the continuous stream of new members here
 
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?

In 4 years and 45.000 miles I have never had that. I get the impression that +99% of the people think it's a normal Z4.
 
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?

In 4 years and 45.000 miles I have never had that. I get the impression that +99% of the people think it's a normal Z4.
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3 times since I bought it, mainly because of the colour, though more referring to forum meets
 
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?
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Yes, every time I get stopped for speeding :P

Used to happen in the M5 too. You'd have a stern talking to, and a ticket (about every 10th stop), and they'd comment on it being a 'lovely car' as the walked back to their 5 series (it always seems to be a velour-lined 5-series).
 
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?

In 4 years and 45.000 miles I have never had that. I get the impression that +99% of the people think it's a normal Z4.
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Yes, a few times now, but its always from ex-owners that reminisce on their ownership and finish by saying “dont ever sell it”!
 
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?

In 4 years and 45.000 miles I have never had that. I get the impression that +99% of the people think it's a normal Z4.
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Do you live in London ?
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?

In 4 years and 45.000 miles I have never had that. I get the impression that +99% of the people think it's a normal Z4.
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Do you live in London ?
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Used to, now I’m just off the M25 in Essex. But I get your point, that might be the reason 😂
 
mmm-five said:
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?
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Yes, every time I get stopped for speeding :P

Used to happen in the M5 too. You'd have a stern talking to, and a ticket (about every 10th stop), and they'd comment on it being a 'lovely car' as the walked back to their 5 series (it always seems to be a velour-lined 5-series).
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I had the exact same thing on the m5 a few years ago. Probably the same guy ! He at first wasn’t so impressed that he couldn’t catch up to record my speed, but it was gone midnight and he did quickly calm down :roll:

He had a snoop around the car to look at it, rather than inspect it. Then let me on my way.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Gustavo7 said:
Do you guys really get stopped by people that comment on the car?

In 4 years and 45.000 miles I have never had that. I get the impression that +99% of the people think it's a normal Z4.
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Do you live in London ?
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I've never had any comments in London, except a drunk tramp saying that the car should have been his :)

The local youth aspire to VAG group bore boxes these days. :D
 
I got pulled over numerous times as a 'quick check' mostly because the coppers wanted to have a look round the car because its an interesting and probably nothing better to do. Possibly because I was young at the time, either way its annoying but nice for the car to be appreciated.
 
tomscott said:
I got pulled over numerous times as a 'quick check' mostly because the coppers wanted to have a look round the car because its an interesting and probably nothing better to do. Possibly because I was young at the time, either way its annoying but nice for the car to be appreciated.
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On the way to Le Mans one year we were pulled aside coming off the ferry. The gendarme fella asked us to wind down the window, stuck his head in and said "BMW Z4M 343 brake horsepower! Allez!!!". The French definitely have their moments. :D
 
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