Loud tappet like noises from Engine....

Oh dear, that doesn't sound good at all. I am with buzyg, I'd not drive that at all. Hope it hasn't done too much damage, whatever it is.
 
at what rpm was this video made?
I analyzed the signal with audacity and it turns out that the tick is occuring 9,5 times per second.
So thats roughly 570 per minute.
If the engine is running about 1150rpm its definately valve train related, but if it turns any slower it could be something else.

signal; the tap is clearly visible:

y5izpBl.jpg
 
When my cam chain tension-er failed and the chain slipped it was very similar, I certainly wouldn't drive it until it can be inspected.

Any engine lights on? mine threw a code and went into limp mode after a short while.
 
I wouldn't be driving that anywhere Op , lowloader only till diagnosed but it doesn't sound well at all :cry:
Hard to say 100% off the clip but bearing / shell problem very possible
 
T1berious said:
Right, the last time it was in was last year and it had an Inspection II 2015 so it's due one. I have done a video and currently looking at decent local indies as I've seen horror stories from main dealers with costs north of 4k.....

Last oil change would be last year. It has always gone to a main dealer.

It is however the dreaded marbles in a can sound while idle and rising in frequency with revs.

I'll pop the video into this once I work out how to upload it!

https://youtu.be/Re2J4Di1QDs

Cheers T1b

Is the service regime out of sync somewhere :? Ins2 on these generally around 45k + 90K / ins1 evenly between so in theory your 91k car should have had at least 3 valve clearances done .
 
I'm wondering if the shim may have jumped out.... Really sad to read anyway but at 91k she's done well for such a highly strung motor, its had plenty of use.

keep us posted!!
 
T1berious said:
Hey Mike,

I'm kind of hoping it will limp home. being nursed gently.

Nooo.....

Cost of a getting it transported will be magnitudes less than the cost of damage done driving it..

Mike
 
That's deffo top end .. cams and followers I would suggest

Don't drive it anymore

You say it was in last year, but then say 2015...

What's the history of the car, it shouldn't be going 2 years without having service
 
GuidoK said:
at what rpm was this video made?
I analyzed the signal with audacity and it turns out that the tick is occuring 9,5 times per second.
So thats roughly 570 per minute.
If the engine is running about 1150rpm its definately valve train related, but if it turns any slower it could be something else.

signal; the tap is clearly visible:

y5izpBl.jpg

Nice analysis Guido :thumbsup:
Bearing in mind cold start idle is around 1150-1200 and the noise heard you'd have to say it's the cams/followers.
As has been said, do not drive it and I wouldn't even turn the engine on again.
Hope it's not too financially painful op :(
 
T1berious said:
Right, the last time it was in was last year and it had an Inspection II 2015 so it's due one. I have done a video and currently looking at decent local indies as I've seen horror stories from main dealers with costs north of 4k.....

Last oil change would be last year. It has always gone to a main dealer.

It is however the dreaded marbles in a can sound while idle and rising in frequency with revs.

I'll pop the video into this once I work out how to upload it!

https://youtu.be/Re2J4Di1QDs

Cheers T1b

Oh No!
Here is my vid when my engine decided to ruin my day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AMXkqcYxGY

I needed new cams / follows and a top end rebuild. Start looking at Schrick cams.. sorry bud, this is gonna cost ya a fare whack
 
Hmmm...similar but not identical. Yours seemed to only be apparent when revving whereas the OP's was more at idle. We are all speculating a bit still I think. Needs proper diagnoses.
 
Car safely back on drive after being transported back home via AA. Will be being recovered by garage on Monday.

But I'm fully prepared for a >1.2k - 2k spend.

the video was at cold idle.

car was gingerly started to get on the drive and that's it.

She'll be back, bright as a button and in rude health!

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers

T1b
 
TomK said:
Bearing in mind cold start idle is around 1150-1200 and the noise heard you'd have to say it's the cams/followers.
How 'cold' is cold start' for an unmodified M?

Mine cold idled this morning at about 850-900rpm (i.e. after being sat outside for 36 hours)...for the 10 seconds or so that it was immobile of course :P

But I’d agree with the majority here, and not drive it until it’s checked/fixed, as a £1k bill is much more preferable than having to replace the engine or fully strip/rebuild it.
 
mmm-five said:
TomK said:
Bearing in mind cold start idle is around 1150-1200 and the noise heard you'd have to say it's the cams/followers.
How 'cold' is cold start' for an unmodified M?

Mine cold idled this morning at about 850-900rpm (i.e. after being sat outside for 36 hours)...for the 10 seconds or so that it was immobile of course :P

But I’d agree with the majority here, and not drive it until it’s checked/fixed, as a £1k bill is much more preferable than having to replace the engine or fully strip/rebuild it.

Oh I'm not sure for standard, mine definitely cold starts around 1.2K for a minute or so, maybe that's part of my map but I thought the car did that beforehand, it's been a while though.
 
I'm in the followers / cams camp. The good news is that the primary failure seems to be the case hardening on the followers, so catching it early and not driving further avoids damage to the cams. If that is the cause, Schrick sell OEM followers to which they apply an additional hardening process. They aren't terribly expensive although I would replace them all. If you need news cams, they are pretty costly and the labour required increases significantly due to the limited access in the Z4M (cf the E46 M3). The job can be done without dismantling the entire front of the car but only by someone who knows what they're doing.
Where are you based? Phil at CPC in Amersham has done this job on several forum cars and many M3s.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
It's a forum

All we can do is speculate..

Exactly. It can still be some blowby at a loose sparkplug or manifold.
Diagnose requires a stethoscope, not a youtube video :lol:
 
We'll see,

It was cold for a few hours. mines is stock but I get the feeling that while the work is being done I'll be looking at getting some "preventative" maintenance done.

The car has to last till the mortgage is finished (6 years).

It's a toy car so it will be used for pretty low mileages. in 8 years it's done 40K. Was at the Tesla showroom today. 100D is screaming my name.

Any suggestions on what I should get done (engine wise) at the same time greatly appreciated

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At 91k, changing the bearing shells would be a good idea. I changed mine at 50k and they were pristine, but others have changed them sub-100k and found significant scoring. If they fail, the bill is seriously big bucks. Changing them should be in the high hundreds for parts and labour.
 
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