Joe Achilles picks up a Z4 M40i

[tomscott]

True, its a niche area but I think there is an expectation too and they have delivered most of it but going that extra little bit more probably would have made a few more people choose them over a Porsche.

Yes the Porsches are more expensive and it escalates quickly but you can make them as individual as you want. With the Z4 you can buy a few packs but otherwise there aren't really many options. I think part of the M car experience is you get the extra performance but its all the extras that sell it, a quad exhaust for example just finishes it off so nicely! Leather items... there's an expectation of quality, yes its not a full M car but the e85/6 had individual options... extended leather, aero kits etc just adds that extra level of quality and experience.

Just seems odd as apart from the 1 and 2 series you have a lot more individual options on pretty much the rest of the range and for most a 2 seater isnt a daily and something a bit more special for the weekend.

Seems odd to spend the money on the dev and then not offer the extra stuff they do on the rest of the marque.

 

[john-e89]

True, its a niche area but I think there is an expectation too and they have delivered most of it but going that extra little bit more probably would have made a few more people choose them over a Porsche.

Yes the Porsches are more expensive and it escalates quickly but you can make them as individual as you want. With the Z4 you can buy a few packs but otherwise there aren't really many options. I think part of the M car experience is you get the extra performance but its all the extras that sell it, a quad exhaust for example just finishes it off so nicely! Leather items... there's an expectation of quality, yes its not a full M car but the e85/6 had individual options... extended leather, aero kits etc just adds that extra level of quality and experience.

Just seems odd as apart from the 1 and 2 series you have a lot more individual options on pretty much the rest of the range and for most a 2 seater isnt a daily and something a bit more special for the weekend.

Seems odd to spend the money on the dev and then not offer the extra stuff they do on the rest of the marque.

Doubt that very much, it's not and never will be a serious boxster rival, a few tacky plastic add ons and quad pipes won't change that. 340bhp out the box not enough for you..? Maybe you're an F1 or top touring car driver and able to use it all and more. It has a limited slip diff, bags of torque, very capable adaptive shocks, very tuneable individual driving options on the menuso you can tune it to your desires, what more do you want...? If you drove one for more than 5 mins you'd understand them. The interior is fine, very well screwed together, seats are very comfortable, it's a very good car, why add more cost to them for no reason with chav add ons.

 

[tomscott]

True, its a niche area but I think there is an expectation too and they have delivered most of it but going that extra little bit more probably would have made a few more people choose them over a Porsche.

Yes the Porsches are more expensive and it escalates quickly but you can make them as individual as you want. With the Z4 you can buy a few packs but otherwise there aren't really many options. I think part of the M car experience is you get the extra performance but its all the extras that sell it, a quad exhaust for example just finishes it off so nicely! Leather items... there's an expectation of quality, yes its not a full M car but the e85/6 had individual options... extended leather, aero kits etc just adds that extra level of quality and experience.

Just seems odd as apart from the 1 and 2 series you have a lot more individual options on pretty much the rest of the range and for most a 2 seater isnt a daily and something a bit more special for the weekend.

Seems odd to spend the money on the dev and then not offer the extra stuff they do on the rest of the marque.

Doubt that very much, it's not and never will be a serious boxster rival, a few tacky plastic add ons and quad pipes won't change that. 340bhp out the box not enough for you..? Maybe you're an F1 or top touring car driver and able to use it all and more. It has a limited slip diff, bags of torque, very capable adaptive shocks, very tuneable individual driving options on the menuso you can tune it to your desires, what more do you want...? If you drove one for more than 5 mins you'd understand them. The interior is fine, very well screwed together, seats are very comfortable, it's a very good car, why add more cost to them for no reason with chav add ons.

Sorry for having a differing opinion John...

 

[john-e89]

True, its a niche area but I think there is an expectation too and they have delivered most of it but going that extra little bit more probably would have made a few more people choose them over a Porsche.

Yes the Porsches are more expensive and it escalates quickly but you can make them as individual as you want. With the Z4 you can buy a few packs but otherwise there aren't really many options. I think part of the M car experience is you get the extra performance but its all the extras that sell it, a quad exhaust for example just finishes it off so nicely! Leather items... there's an expectation of quality, yes its not a full M car but the e85/6 had individual options... extended leather, aero kits etc just adds that extra level of quality and experience.

Just seems odd as apart from the 1 and 2 series you have a lot more individual options on pretty much the rest of the range and for most a 2 seater isnt a daily and something a bit more special for the weekend.

Seems odd to spend the money on the dev and then not offer the extra stuff they do on the rest of the marque.

Doubt that very much, it's not and never will be a serious boxster rival, a few tacky plastic add ons and quad pipes won't change that. 340bhp out the box not enough for you..? Maybe you're an F1 or top touring car driver and able to use it all and more. It has a limited slip diff, bags of torque, very capable adaptive shocks, very tuneable individual driving options on the menuso you can tune it to your desires, what more do you want...? If you drove one for more than 5 mins you'd understand them. The interior is fine, very well screwed together, seats are very comfortable, it's a very good car, why add more cost to them for no reason with chav add ons.

Sorry for having a differing opinion John...

It's a bit galling when you had a proper pop at me with completely the wrong info a while back, now you're misjudging a car you haven't had or had much, if any, experience of unless I'm mistaken. It's a very capable car without plastic add ons that you can add if that's your bat. No need for an M, it's 90% there already and has been quite rightly said personally I think we're lucky some manufacturers are still bothering to make these cars. No one is going to pay £85k for a Zed, the price of a well specced boxy GTS.

 

[MrLatte]

Compare a 550 to an M5 or even 240 to an M2 comp, the gap is much bigger than 10%. A Z4 M would be a fantastic swansong before the inevitable i4 roadster or whatever replaces the Z.

 

[tomscott]

Doubt that very much, it's not and never will be a serious boxster rival, a few tacky plastic add ons and quad pipes won't change that. 340bhp out the box not enough for you..? Maybe you're an F1 or top touring car driver and able to use it all and more. It has a limited slip diff, bags of torque, very capable adaptive shocks, very tuneable individual driving options on the menuso you can tune it to your desires, what more do you want...? If you drove one for more than 5 mins you'd understand them. The interior is fine, very well screwed together, seats are very comfortable, it's a very good car, why add more cost to them for no reason with chav add ons.

Sorry for having a differing opinion John...

It's a bit galling when you had a proper pop at me with completely the wrong info a while back, now you're misjudging a car you haven't had or had much, if any, experience of unless I'm mistaken. It's a very capable car without plastic add ons that you can add if that's your bat. No need for an M, it's 90% there already and has been quite rightly said personally I think we're lucky some manufacturers are still bothering to make these cars. No one is going to pay £85k for a Zed, the price of a well specced boxy GTS.

I actually got invited to the launch and drove the M40 and really liked it and have been one of the minority in favour for the new model. I bought another Z4M instead.

I just disagreed with you. You have sent me more than one PM apologising for your attitude over the years blaming it on all sorts of things. Its a forum fella everyone can have an opinion, you have a history of calling people out and ive been on the side of that a few times so expect if from you and is one of the reason I really don't spend much time here because its tiring.

If I can't have an opinion saying the car should have individual extras there's nothing there that unreasonable for a sportscar as I want another 2 seater M car which im pretty sure you would too.

BTW Since when is a quad exhaust chavy? You have a Z4M don't you... is that chavy too? Plus since when is an interior "fine" on a £54k car? It should be great. Just silly, if you dislike my opinions block me then you don't have to read it.

 

[john-e89]

Sorry for having a differing opinion John...

It's a bit galling when you had a proper pop at me with completely the wrong info a while back, now you're misjudging a car you haven't had or had much, if any, experience of unless I'm mistaken. It's a very capable car without plastic add ons that you can add if that's your bat. No need for an M, it's 90% there already and has been quite rightly said personally I think we're lucky some manufacturers are still bothering to make these cars. No one is going to pay £85k for a Zed, the price of a well specced boxy GTS.

I actually got invited to the launch and drove the M40 and really liked it and have been one of the minority in favour for the new model. I bought another Z4M instead.

I just disagreed with you. You have sent me more than one PM apologising for your attitude over the years blaming it on all sorts of things. Its a forum fella everyone can have an opinion, you have a history of calling people out and ive been on the side of that a few times so expect if from you and is one of the reason I really don't spend much time here because its tiring.

If I can't have an opinion saying the car should have individual extras there's nothing there that unreasonable for a sportscar as I want another 2 seater M car which im pretty sure you would too.

BTW Since when is a quad exhaust chavy? You have a Z4M don't you... is that chavy too? Plus since when is an interior "fine" on a £54k car? It should be great. Just silly, if you dislike my opinions block me then you don't have to read it.

Shame you haven't the decency to apologise to me isn't it. I think it was just once I apologised to you.

Of course you're as entitled to your opinion as much as anybody esle, as you say it's a forum, so don't be surprised when someone disagrees with you that actually has experience of the subject. If you remember you went for my throat with completely the incorrect info. Not good so don't throw attitudes about when you've been there and done that.

Z4M's quads are standard, not an add on.

Not going to discuss it with you anymore, pointless speaking to a do as I say not as I do man.

 

[Russ Z4]

Oh.

Fairly disappointing to see this.

Different folks, different strokes and all that. No need to get wound up about such things.

 

[sars]

The one thing I love about BMW is is that the option list is not exhaustive, yes I would have liked more colours, but the options do seem reasonable. The one thing I hate about Porsche, is their options list and how expensive those options are, some of which should be standard. I looked at getting a Boxster S and to get it to the specification of mine, I was looking at over £70k, paying a £1k a month and for what, a great drive but dated interior, whose quality is certainly not superior to BMW's. Yes I'd like one, just to own one and by and large I imagine many buyers fall into this category and view their purchase through rose tinted glasses.

The one thing I do respect Porsche for, is that you can have a manual.

 

[john-e89]

The one thing I love about BMW is is that the option list is not exhaustive, yes I would have liked more colours, but the options do seem reasonable. The one thing I hate about Porsche, is their options list and how expensive those options are, some of which should be standard. I looked at getting a Boxster S and to get it to the specification of mine, I was looking at over £70k, paying a £1k a month and for what, a great drive but dated interior, whose quality is certainly not superior to BMW's. Yes I'd like one, just to own one and by and large I imagine many buyers fall into this category and view their purchase through rose tinted glasses.

The one thing I do respect Porsche for, is that you can have a manual.

I think Porsche ask such money because they can Sars, they get the trade as the car itself is so good. I'm wondering if the LCI upgrade on the Zed will throw in a non frozen grey. Would look epic in mineral.

 

[MrLatte]

The one thing I do respect Porsche for, is that you can have a manual.

This is true, but the problem is they are too highly geared, probably doing 70-75 mph at the top of 2nd gear which is too much for a British b-road in my opinion.

 

[Argyll Andy]

wondering if the LCI upgrade on the Zed will throw in a non frozen grey. Would look epic in mineral

That’s the main colour we’re hoping will be added. If so our order won’t be long going in

 

[ori]

The one thing I love about BMW is is that the option list is not exhaustive, yes I would have liked more colours, but the options do seem reasonable. The one thing I hate about Porsche, is their options list and how expensive those options are, some of which should be standard. I looked at getting a Boxster S and to get it to the specification of mine, I was looking at over £70k, paying a £1k a month and for what, a great drive but dated interior, whose quality is certainly not superior to BMW's. Yes I'd like one, just to own one and by and large I imagine many buyers fall into this category and view their purchase through rose tinted glasses.

The one thing I do respect Porsche for, is that you can have a manual.

I think Porsche ask such money because they can Sars, they get the trade as the car itself is so good. I'm wondering if the LCI upgrade on the Zed will throw in a non frozen grey. Would look epic in mineral.

They actually charge far more for options in the U.K. they offer packs in other countries. They refer to us as “treasure island” as they make a huge profit from us.

 

[john-e89]

wondering if the LCI upgrade on the Zed will throw in a non frozen grey. Would look epic in mineral

That’s the main colour we’re hoping will be added. If so our order won’t be long going in

Have to say Andy if they do I'd give another one a very serious thought. Had my mind set on a GTS and still have,,but with the options I'd want it's an £83k or £89k car if they bring carbon brakes back. Compared to what will prob be £56-58k for a loaded Zed before discount and haggling that's a fair chunk less if I can go with auto again.

 

[q96169we]

My view of G29 is not going to have a full M version is that if a person is serious about the absolute performance, then that person is less likely to go for a convertable. If I remember correctly, 1st gen Z4M is coupe only. Due to the collaboration between BMW and Toyota, G29 will never be a coupe so people who buys G29 is not too serious about the absolute performance. If a person just wants an output figure, the M4C convertible is available for them. Therefore, I don't think the market for a G29 Z4M roadster can justify the cost of development. Then, as a convertible, the performance of G29 M40i is far more than enough for the on road fun and occasional track day fun.

About G29 vs 718, before I decided to go for G29, I had multiple test-drive sections with my local dealer (from base 718, S, to GTS, to GTS 4.0). Personally, I don't want the flat 4 version. That means only option is GTS 4.0, which also means the price is around £70k. At this price, the interior can not compete with G29 at all in my opinion. Then, if I open the magical Porsche customisation list, I was looking at £75-80k or more. This made me think why not go for M4C or the base 911. At this point, I decided that the G29 is perfectly priced for what I need and placed the order next day.

 

[john-e89]

My view of G29 is not going to have a full M version is that if a person is serious about the absolute performance, then that person is less likely to go for a convertable. If I remember correctly, 1st gen Z4M is coupe only. Due to the collaboration between BMW and Toyota, G29 will never be a coupe so people who buys G29 is not too serious about the absolute performance. If a person just wants an output figure, the M4C convertible is available for them. Therefore, I don't think the market for a G29 Z4M roadster can justify the cost of development. Then, as a convertible, the performance of G29 M40i is far more than enough for the on road fun and occasional track day fun.

About G29 vs 718, before I decided to go for G29, I had multiple test-driven sections with my local dealer (from base 718, S, to GTS, to GTS 4.0). Personally, I don't want the flat 4 version. That means only option is GTS 4.0, which also means the price is around £70k. At this price, the interior can not compete with G29 at all in my opinion. Then, if I open the magical Porsche customisation list, I was looking at £75-80k or more. This made me thinking why not go for M4C or the base 911. At this point, I decided that the G29 is perfectly priced for what I need and placed the order next day.

Absolutely....makes no sense for Bmw to make an M version with the M40i at the level it is.

 

[tiglon]

The M cars are there to inspire people to buy a lower spec version of that car. E.g. people lust after an M4, which they can't afford, so they get a 430i or whatever. That's why you now get X_M cars, because BMW needs to drive sales of it's run of the mill X's. The sales of a Z4M would not be enough in itself to justify the product. So, would the existence of a Z4M inspire people to buy a Z4 20i? If very few people are buying roadsters full stop, then no, probably not.

BMW don't care if a few Boxster owners would convert to a Z4M, because that's not the point of an M car.

BMW sold 75,000 X3's in America last year, Porsche sold a few thousand Boxsters. BMW isn't going to waste any time trying to steal even 50% of those roadster sales from Porsche.

 

[Russ Z4]

The one thing I love about BMW is is that the option list is not exhaustive, yes I would have liked more colours, but the options do seem reasonable. The one thing I hate about Porsche, is their options list and how expensive those options are, some of which should be standard. I looked at getting a Boxster S and to get it to the specification of mine, I was looking at over £70k, paying a £1k a month and for what, a great drive but dated interior, whose quality is certainly not superior to BMW's. Yes I'd like one, just to own one and by and large I imagine many buyers fall into this category and view their purchase through rose tinted glasses.

The one thing I do respect Porsche for, is that you can have a manual.

I did the exact same thing - but also had the Alpine A110 in the mix. I don't think the Z4 is the out right winner in any element (apart from the engine and infotainment) - but it certainly scores a higher average when you look at all the boxes.

Of course, the other thing to consider about Porsche above BMW are the residuals. They are super strong.

 

[sars]

[ref]john-e89[/ref], I don’t doubt the car is good to drive, but for the average mortal, aka me, I’m not sure that I have the ability to explore the limits of my car let alone a Boxster and thus differentiate any real differences where it counts. I can go around a corner quickly and marvel at the grip and feel, however, if I’m honest I would probably have more fun in an MX5 that any other car I could think off, but I wouldn’t want to live with an MX5 24/7 and that’s where the zed beats the MX5 and the Boxster too.

The original Boxster was a great car and good value to boot, it’s still a great car but it’s value is bloated by successful marketing.

 

[john-e89]

[ref]john-e89[/ref], I don’t doubt the car is good to drive, but for the average mortal, aka me, I’m not sure that I have the ability to explore the limits of my car let alone a Boxster and thus differentiate any real differences where it counts. I can go around a corner quickly and marvel at the grip and feel, however, if I’m honest I would probably have more fun in an MX5 that any other car I could think off, but I wouldn’t want to live with an MX5 24/7 and that’s where the zed beats the MX5 and the Boxster too.

The original Boxster was a great car and good value to boot, it’s still a great car but it’s value is bloated by successful marketing.

Let's be honest no one can explore the limits of these cars on UK roads. More bhp is willy waving really but it's fun to mod a car. Having said that the difference between a boxy and a Zed is very noticeable even when not pushing them, and if you do press on then that difference becomes greater which emphasises just how good these piggy's are as imho the G29 Zed is a superb handling and rapid car as is, which makes an M version pointless, bit more noise, probably too stiff springs, not worth wasting R&D money on, but you know this right... :lol: It's this difference and how you like a car to feel that makes folk spend so much on a Porker, they're really the cream of the crop, in handling and feel terms anyway. You really really have to want one to spend so much obvs. If not then the Zed wins hands down.