Is there a difference between E86 & E89 wheel alignment settings?
- Thread starter Calps
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Im no expert on alignment settings but there was a lot of changes from the e85 to e89, Id have thought the chances of the settings being the same were slim
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Completely different in so many ways..the design of the front axle is completely different and the rear has had a number of revisions… 
Calps said:
I think that’s the best, just saying you noticed the E89 parameters had been used could they let you see and print you off a blank E86 one for comparison on the settings. Then you have it to compare
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enuff_zed said:
Of course, the service should match what was requested.
My curiosity was whether the settings were the same/comparable between cars. Little point driving back to have the same settings applied if they were similar.
Looks like that's not the case, and to be fair, the garage immediately offered to redo the work (which is why I'm sitting at a picnic table on their premises right now )
I don't usually get to drive the Z on weekdays, so this is a bit of a novelty for me
Official BMW data (from ISTAD) for both cars and both suspension options.
It differs slightly from Pbondars list and this also includes the rear axle which is quite important.
E89:
32 00 Wheel Alignment E89 Serienfahrwerk
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe-in 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 23' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 23' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
‐ with 20° lock on inside wheel -2° 04' ± 30'
Castor (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel offset 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
‐ Inner cornering wheel approx. ° 37° 39'
‐ Outer cornering wheel approx. ° 31° 10'
Rear axle:
Total toe-in 0° 18' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 18' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') -2° 20' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber -2° 20' ± 5'
Geometrical driving axis 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting toe/camber.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
32 00 Wheel Alignment E89 VDC Fahrwerk
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe-in 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 33' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 33' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
‐ with 20° lock on inside wheel -2° 08' ± 30'
Castor (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel offset 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
‐ Inner cornering wheel approx. ° 37° 25'
‐ Outer cornering wheel approx. ° 31° 55'
Rear axle:
Total toe-in 0° 18' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 18' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') -2° 20' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber -2° 20' ± 5'
Geometrical driving axis 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting toe/camber.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
E86 non M:
32 00 Wheel Alignment E86 Standard suspension
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 35' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 35' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
- with 20° lock on inside wheel - 1° 34' ± 30'
Caster (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel displacement 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
- Inside wheel approx. ° 43° 23'
- Outside wheel approx. ° 35° 26'
Rear axle:
Total toe 0° 16' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 16' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') - 2° 15' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber - 2° 15' ± 5'
Geometrical axis deviation 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting camber/toe.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
32 00 Wheel Alignment E86 Low-slung sport suspension
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 57' ±30'
Adjustment* camber - 57' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
- with 20° lock on inside wheel - 1° 34' ± 30'
Caster (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel displacement 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
- Inside wheel approx. ° 42° 56'
- Outside wheel approx. ° 35° 05'
Rear axle:
Total toe 0° 16' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 16' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') - 2° 50' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber - 2° 50' ± 5'
Geometrical axis deviation 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting camber/toe.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
It differs slightly from Pbondars list and this also includes the rear axle which is quite important.
E89:
32 00 Wheel Alignment E89 Serienfahrwerk
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe-in 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 23' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 23' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
‐ with 20° lock on inside wheel -2° 04' ± 30'
Castor (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel offset 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
‐ Inner cornering wheel approx. ° 37° 39'
‐ Outer cornering wheel approx. ° 31° 10'
Rear axle:
Total toe-in 0° 18' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 18' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') -2° 20' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber -2° 20' ± 5'
Geometrical driving axis 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting toe/camber.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
32 00 Wheel Alignment E89 VDC Fahrwerk
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe-in 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 33' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 33' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
‐ with 20° lock on inside wheel -2° 08' ± 30'
Castor (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel offset 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
‐ Inner cornering wheel approx. ° 37° 25'
‐ Outer cornering wheel approx. ° 31° 55'
Rear axle:
Total toe-in 0° 18' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 18' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') -2° 20' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber -2° 20' ± 5'
Geometrical driving axis 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting toe/camber.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
E86 non M:
32 00 Wheel Alignment E86 Standard suspension
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 35' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 35' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
- with 20° lock on inside wheel - 1° 34' ± 30'
Caster (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel displacement 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
- Inside wheel approx. ° 43° 23'
- Outside wheel approx. ° 35° 26'
Rear axle:
Total toe 0° 16' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 16' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') - 2° 15' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber - 2° 15' ± 5'
Geometrical axis deviation 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting camber/toe.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
32 00 Wheel Alignment E86 Low-slung sport suspension
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe 0° 14' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 14' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 57' ±30'
Adjustment* camber - 57' ± 25'
Toe angle difference with 20° lock on inside wheel (difference between left/right max. 30')
- with 20° lock on inside wheel - 1° 34' ± 30'
Caster (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel displacement 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
- Inside wheel approx. ° 42° 56'
- Outside wheel approx. ° 35° 05'
Rear axle:
Total toe 0° 16' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 16' ± 4'
Camber
(difference between left/right max. 30') - 2° 50' ± 25'
Adjustment* camber - 2° 50' ± 5'
Geometrical axis deviation 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjusting camber/toe.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
Pbondar said:
What's badly out of spec then?
*Settings from Hunter for Sports Suspension*
Front camber and caster - unchanged
Front toe either side - pretty much prefect (0°03' - 0°11' being the acceptable range)
Front toe total - pretty much perfect (0°06' - 0°22' being the acceptable range)
Rear camber - very slightly more positive than it sould be (-2°35' - -3°05' being the acceptable range), not an issue in my opinion.
Rear toe either side - pretty much perfect (0°08' - 0°14' being the acceptable range)
Rear toe total - pretty much perfect (0°16' - 0°28' being the acceptable range)
does an E86 not have a alignment pin in the front struts, that when knocked out, allows for half a degree or so of front camber adjustment? an E85 and an E46 do...
if you can, get under the bonnet and remove one of the three nuts holding the front strut in. if theres a slotted hole underneath it, then yes, you can do some front camber adjustment...
if you can, get under the bonnet and remove one of the three nuts holding the front strut in. if theres a slotted hole underneath it, then yes, you can do some front camber adjustment...
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My data was from the 2009 technical training launch material for the E89…of course they may have tweaked it since then…it was aimed at Americans :tumbleweed: :rofl:
:tumbleweed: :rofl:Thanks for the inputs folks - a quick update:
Garage apologised and immediately offered to redo the alignment after I highlighted the error.
The engineer brought the car back in, and upon return, advised that the settings they had for the E86 model was the same (or as near as) for the E89, and as a result minimal adjustment was applied/required. I guess I should have some faith in what's been completed (the garage has a good rep, as does the hunter setup), but I'll check the print out against what was shared above to see if it correlates all the same.
Garage apologised and immediately offered to redo the alignment after I highlighted the error.
The engineer brought the car back in, and upon return, advised that the settings they had for the E86 model was the same (or as near as) for the E89, and as a result minimal adjustment was applied/required. I guess I should have some faith in what's been completed (the garage has a good rep, as does the hunter setup), but I'll check the print out against what was shared above to see if it correlates all the same.
