In or out?
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mattwaltersz4m
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jakblade said:dans6490 said:
Well said that man..
Some seriously confused people on this thread!
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ekimj10 said:My hat is off to Mr Jackblade! well written and highly constructive.
Joking, surely? :dizzy:
John002 said:synthedup said:mattwaltersz4m said:
Half the population are now Chavs and racist it seems?
Over half going by this poll. I've thought long and hard about which one I am, and have come to the conclusion that it must be a chav, as I actually own a black cat.
Oh how dare we think for ourselves.......
Seems I'm a chav, racist, xenophobic bigot then
according to some people on here.......
Tar, brush, same, spring to mind .
And not a working class person with an opinion of my own.
Wonders if these same people who tar me with a particular brush assume all Germans are Nazi's. That all Muslims are terrorists. That all American's are gun toting rednecks?????
Just a thought.....
Seems I'm a chav, racist, xenophobic bigot then
according to some people on here.......
Tar, brush, same, spring to mind .
And not a working class person with an opinion of my own.
Wonders if these same people who tar me with a particular brush assume all Germans are Nazi's. That all Muslims are terrorists. That all American's are gun toting rednecks?????
Just a thought.....
no fit state said:John002 said:synthedup said:
Half the population are now Chavs and racist it seems?
Over half going by this poll. I've thought long and hard about which one I am, and have come to the conclusion that it must be a chav, as I actually own a black cat.
It's okay. I was worried I may of been a hipster earlier this week.
Hmmm,
surely if we came out, the following (all madness) will happen in no paricular order:
Vote if no confidence in govt
massive leadership battle (noone actually with eyes on managing the country during that period)
god knows who will become PM
value of £ plummets
inflationary pressure as import costs rise
value of uk companies plummet due to uncertainty
consumer spending plummets due to uncertainty (happenning already due to the referendum )
Uk will move into recession in 3 to 6 months
scots move for 2nd referendum on independence
Stagflation?
more uncertainty. Recession deepens as housing market will start to stagnate.
It's total madness, would solve little but smash most of what we now take for granted.
surely if we came out, the following (all madness) will happen in no paricular order:
Vote if no confidence in govt
massive leadership battle (noone actually with eyes on managing the country during that period)
god knows who will become PM
value of £ plummets
inflationary pressure as import costs rise
value of uk companies plummet due to uncertainty
consumer spending plummets due to uncertainty (happenning already due to the referendum )
Uk will move into recession in 3 to 6 months
scots move for 2nd referendum on independence
Stagflation?
more uncertainty. Recession deepens as housing market will start to stagnate.
It's total madness, would solve little but smash most of what we now take for granted.
Zed Five said:
I agree on everything you say, pointless lying to ourselves of being no risks. My head says stay in as the motor trade is thriving and effects my business directly. My heart says out , it feels right to leave now. The scaremongering tactics by the politicians are shocking. The best one is that we'll lose holiday/sickness pay. Any new government that did that to us wouldn't be in power for long. The voters (us)wouldn't accept it. When I vote in the future I don't want to be voting for decision making being made out of my own country where I live. Why would anyone want this? Everything you mention is temporary, if at all. We're not going to self implode, have some faith and belief in your own country!
I'm a reluctant remainer. I get pissed off by the bureaucracy of it all just like the next man. But bureaucracy is with us whether we are in or out, it pervades every aspect of our lives whatever.
For me, it is about security and peace. We have lived in a Golden Age not by accident, make no mistake.
Just 20 years after the Great War, the war to end all wars, we were all kicking the s**t out of each other for another 6 years. since the end of WW II we have had 70 years of peace in Europe,(EU) don't make the mistake of underestimating this achievement. It's easy to take the piss out of David Cameron on this one because people have very short memories and there are not many alive who can tell us how truly s**t it was.
I am concerned about belligerent nations like Russia on our doorstep continually probing our defence weaknesses both in the air and at sea. Now is the time to stick together rather than fragment. Ok, you can argue that NATO looks after this but the more together we are the stronger we are. The same way I feel about Scottish independence. I bet that Putin is praying for us to leave so that it triggers a complete fragmentation of European unity and he can increase the flexing of his muscles with impunity.
I don't think that there will any difference to immigration one way or another. If we come out and wish to have free trade agreement with the EU, don't we need to agree to freedom of movement of people like Norway?
Unelected representatives telling us what to do, you mean like the House of Lords? Don't we have elected MEP's speaking up for us in Brussels?
For me, it is about security and peace. We have lived in a Golden Age not by accident, make no mistake.
Just 20 years after the Great War, the war to end all wars, we were all kicking the s**t out of each other for another 6 years. since the end of WW II we have had 70 years of peace in Europe,(EU) don't make the mistake of underestimating this achievement. It's easy to take the piss out of David Cameron on this one because people have very short memories and there are not many alive who can tell us how truly s**t it was.
I am concerned about belligerent nations like Russia on our doorstep continually probing our defence weaknesses both in the air and at sea. Now is the time to stick together rather than fragment. Ok, you can argue that NATO looks after this but the more together we are the stronger we are. The same way I feel about Scottish independence. I bet that Putin is praying for us to leave so that it triggers a complete fragmentation of European unity and he can increase the flexing of his muscles with impunity.
I don't think that there will any difference to immigration one way or another. If we come out and wish to have free trade agreement with the EU, don't we need to agree to freedom of movement of people like Norway?
Unelected representatives telling us what to do, you mean like the House of Lords? Don't we have elected MEP's speaking up for us in Brussels?
John002 said:no fit state said:
It's okay. I was worried I may of been a hipster earlier this week.
I applied to be a hipster, but was told my Burberry baseball cap wasn't in keeping with the role.
Ultimately everyones vote is based on personal circumstance so i won't be voting as I don't think I could benefit or lose :? Although a brighter brain may be able to educate me towards a decision ?
Ive watched , listened , read & thought about my vote but cannot reach a conclusion
The Brussels gravy train makes me retch (aka http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636143/Greediest-snouts-EU-trough-Not-sure-vote-Read-stinking-wealth-hypocrisy-Brussels-fat-cats-Kinnocks-help-decide.html
& to be free of that would be worth the protest vote alone but it aint that simple in my case
At 48 a vast majority of my working life has been spent on regeneration housing projects in deprived areas with EU funding involved so I am grateful for earning decent money the best part of 25 years , this then abled me to invest significantly in French property , so if the pound/euro drops by voting out then I would benefit by selling & bringing the money back to £ but our plans are to live predominantly in Europe in a few years time so would I actually be better off if the UK stayed in ?
The immigration debate frustrates me & the way funds are handed out to them just by landing on our shores has got to stop whether vote is in or out , its nonsense giving foreign families who make it here £15k/£20k in benefits then paying our own pensioners paltry weekly sum's & zero benefits :thumbsdown:
As for how the vote will go ?
I think it will be OUT & if so think initially the UK will feel a negative response that may reflect badly for the economy even though longterm we would survive & thrive .
Ive watched , listened , read & thought about my vote but cannot reach a conclusion
The Brussels gravy train makes me retch (aka http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636143/Greediest-snouts-EU-trough-Not-sure-vote-Read-stinking-wealth-hypocrisy-Brussels-fat-cats-Kinnocks-help-decide.html
& to be free of that would be worth the protest vote alone but it aint that simple in my case
At 48 a vast majority of my working life has been spent on regeneration housing projects in deprived areas with EU funding involved so I am grateful for earning decent money the best part of 25 years , this then abled me to invest significantly in French property , so if the pound/euro drops by voting out then I would benefit by selling & bringing the money back to £ but our plans are to live predominantly in Europe in a few years time so would I actually be better off if the UK stayed in ?
The immigration debate frustrates me & the way funds are handed out to them just by landing on our shores has got to stop whether vote is in or out , its nonsense giving foreign families who make it here £15k/£20k in benefits then paying our own pensioners paltry weekly sum's & zero benefits :thumbsdown:
As for how the vote will go ?
I think it will be OUT & if so think initially the UK will feel a negative response that may reflect badly for the economy even though longterm we would survive & thrive .
Geezah said:
Most of us don't know who these MEPs are? I certainly don't but maybe that's just my own ignorance. Whatever happens (and it will be close)I think there will now be an heightened awareness or interest in who's running the show.
I don't get what Russia is up to? if it wanted us isolated and out of Europe antagonising us with their patrols its having the opposite effect? Why would they do that? We should maybe be asking ourselves who's told them to do that? I'll be glad when it's all over either way.
free wheels to every household.
As I get paid in USD and Euro, my investment gamble of the year is to cash all my chequers from the last couple of months after June 23. My betting is that GBP will fall for a bit, so might make on the exchange.
Having said that, my investments never seem to be that great
Having said that, my investments never seem to be that great
Geezah said:
Well said and my thinking, theres too many people banging on about being our own country again etc and taking back power for ourselves, but times have moved on and have great fears if we dump EU membership. I think were pretty lucky as a country to be honest and being part of the EU.
Tim.
TitanTim said:
Reading news today it could be over regardless. It's business that runs the world not politicians. We threaten to leave the EU, 5th greatest economy actually wanting to leave!! What business in any European country is going to invest heavily in anything now without an exit strategy or secret back out trade deal going on. It's f@cked face it.
if we vote "leave" I think we will go back to the days when the UK was called the sick man of Euorope, the time that the £ was devalued and we had to get the Imf to bail us out!
As a fella who is now taking his pension, I haven't got time for the economy to plummet then take twenty years to recover. I will be too old by then.
As a fella who is now taking his pension, I haven't got time for the economy to plummet then take twenty years to recover. I will be too old by then.