In or out?

Poll Poll In or out?

  • In

    Votes: 61 35.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 99 57.2%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 11 6.4%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Total voters
    173
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That's my opinion anyway. Childish, churlish , bigoted.......narr just excuse me for wanting to be Patriotic. A little something I wrote on Facebook t'other day.....
Well. Well. Well.
Threatened by Derek O'Bimble, Commrade Hollande and now Herr Merkel.
Why don't you Johnny Foreigners mind your own business. This is a vote for British citizens, a vote for Great Britain and really has nothing to do with you....
We have enough scare mongering and threats from Camoron and his cronies without you sticking your beaks in where they're not wanted....
Running scared, yes,I think you may be.....
I'm not religious but God forbid the Common Man has the audacity to choose his own destiny....how dare we!!!!

Well we dare......and come the 23rd you will see how much we dare and my, how your Ivory Towers come a tumbling down.....

Unless you manage to Hhmmm Hhmmm fix it somehow..... don't know where all these polls are being taken but I would say 75% plus of the people I know know will be voting OUT......

To coin a well known French saying...Vive La Revolution!!!!!
 
Probably going to vote "in", but still trying to get my head around everything.

I don't think that the dysfunctionality and bureaucracy in the way the EU is governed is a good enough excuse to leave a common market and partial political union. They are still sound ideas, in principle, and I doubt the home-brewed alternatives will be any less frustrating and wasteful. Having worked on a few large programmes involving implementations of EU law, it is often our local bureaucracy and particular "Britishness" in the way we overcomplicate things and get bogged down by marginal concerns, that ends up costing the taxpayer money and causes disillusionment. I also think that the net contribution we make is a small amount relative to the benefits the EU brings us, but then I guess I see the benefits of economic convergence on a fairly regular basis and get frustrated that national pride and self-determination are often cited as good reasons to leave, because they are so much more difficult to quantify. Again though, this is from a very ignorant position. Don't really understand the history of the EU as well as my parents, for example, and at least one of them is voting to leave.

And yeah... there is definitely a part of me that says "f*ck it, it can't be any worse than it is now. Let's do it, just for a laugh".
 
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Good to see no one had ticked Don't Care. ☺️
I was always for Out, and even more so now.
I agree that immigration is a red herring, as I don't think it will change whatever we vote. Also agree that Mr Cameron has shot himself in the foot.
I just hope apathy doesn't win on the day!
 
Ideologically - In

Ironic really since I voted to take Scotland out of the UK
The EU has a lot of problems however I still believe that we are better being a part of the group rather than outside of it. The fear arguments that the UK would basically fail and be an economic disaster are utter rubbish of course (as they were before in the Scottish indy ref). If I were a betting man I see the following happening:
Scotland - In
England - Out
Wales - In
NI - In
UK overall - Out

Will lead to some very interesting constitutional questions for the other parts of the UK.
 
Out for me.

I don't think it'll make one bit of difference to immigration - the government can't afford not to have immigration as our whole economy is based on an ever expanding population to make the national debt manageable. The incumbent population doesn't have a sufficient birth rate to keep this going so we need migrants.

I'm out because I think the EU has lost its way, it's time to stop letting the Parliament in Brussels continue as it is and the only way I can see is to get out. Reform has failed. They've get to get a budget through audit for 18 years and I don't see that changing any time soon. What was done to Greece through the crisis was disgraceful, and only now are they getting the debt relief that was so obviously needed, so much suffering could have been avoided.

The campaign has been woeful from both sides, I think Cameron really missed a trick not pulling Nicola Sturgeon in - she seems to be one of the few politicians who doesn't solely campaign on fear and soundbites.

I think we'll stay in at the end of the day, and I think it'll be a missed opportunity to shape a new relationship with Europe outside of the European.
 
If the reasons for leaving the EU were so great their wouldn't need be such a debate we'd already know its right to vote out. The fact the leave campaign is mainly based upon mass migration is terrible scaremonger. No one has the right to tell some else they cant better their life by migrating. I often wonder how UK people think they landed on the island themselves?. I can only think they migrated here too at some point in their history maybe its easy to forget that. Mr Farage claims there will be mass rape to UK women by migrants if we stay in the EU. I can imagine the same was said if not worse about carribean migrants like my grandfather I just find it disgusting. Norway isn't in the EU but has more migrants than nationals but yet has one of the lowest crime rates. It's really just a load of racial rubbish, English people will never be happy well known by foreigners for being a nation of moaners and blame. The reason why super countries like Germany did well after the war. They invested in manufacturing/engineering something UK didn't do. As the UK were in so much debt after the wars which resulted in the break up of the British Empire, built on taking land they had no right to, slavery and murder. Instead of investing in goods export M.Thatcher made a lot of skilled workers redundant or privatised a lot of well known UK companies. Now UK are crying out for skilled workers and have to rely on services to be our main economy compensate, go figure that one out. All you here is freedom to do this and that so people jump on the bandwagon for leave. Come to any big city I bet you see the most diverse areas full of ethnic races carribean, polish, bulgarian, romanian etc we all get along there no racial issue at all and these aresome of the poorest areas in UK. I'ts these areas full of this old school attitude of how great britain used to be that seem to have the agenda on this In/Out.

We have all been on that night out when that one mate says its crap here "shall we go somewhere else" so you leave a club/bar what ever. They lead you on a wild goose chase not actually knowing where to go. You then try to get back into the club/bar and they say no go away. You then end up in a kebab shop wishing you had stayed where you was.

I'm no politician but I like my European company I work for it pays my bills and has given me years good memories think I'll stay IN
 
goldbcfc said:
We have all been on that night out when that one mate says its crap here "shall we go somewhere else" so you leave a club/bar what ever. They lead you on a wild goose chase not actually knowing where to go. You then try to get back into the club/bar and they say no go away. You then end up in a kebab shop wishing you had stayed where you was.
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goldbcfc said:
If the reasons for leaving the EU were so great their wouldn't need be such a debate we'd already know its right to vote out. The fact the leave campaign is mainly based upon mass migration is terrible scaremonger. No one has the right to tell some else they cant better their life by migrating. I often wonder how UK people think they landed on the island themselves?. I can only think they migrated here too at some point in their history maybe its easy to forget that. Mr Farage claims there will be mass rape to UK women by migrants if we stay in the EU. I can imagine the same was said if not worse about carribean migrants like my grandfather I just find it disgusting. Norway isn't in the EU but has more migrants than nationals but yet has one of the lowest crime rates. It's really just a load of racial rubbish, English people will never be happy well known by foreigners for being a nation of moaners and blame. The reason why super countries like Germany did well after the war. They invested in manufacturing/engineering something UK didn't do. As the UK were in so much debt after the wars which resulted in the break up of the British Empire, built on taking land they had no right to, slavery and murder. Instead of investing in goods export M.Thatcher made a lot of skilled workers redundant or privatised a lot of well known UK companies. Now UK are crying out for skilled workers and have to rely on services to be our main economy compensate, go figure that one out. All you here is freedom to do this and that so people jump on the bandwagon for leave. Come to any big city I bet you see the most diverse areas full of ethnic races carribean, polish, bulgarian, romanian etc we all get along there no racial issue at all and these aresome of the poorest areas in UK. I'ts these areas full of this old school attitude of how great britain used to be that seem to have the agenda on this In/Out.

We have all been on that night out when that one mate says its crap here "shall we go somewhere else" so you leave a club/bar what ever. They lead you on a wild goose chase not actually knowing where to go. You then try to get back into the club/bar and they say no go away. You then end up in a kebab shop wishing you had stayed where you was.

I'm no politician but I like my European company I work for it pays my bills and has given me years good memories think I'll stay IN
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excellent post
 
Seemingly a vast difference between what most here who comment want to happen and what the bookies think will happen...
 
Worcester_spoon said:
goldbcfc said:
We have all been on that night out when that one mate says its crap here "shall we go somewhere else" so you leave a club/bar what ever. They lead you on a wild goose chase not actually knowing where to go. You then try to get back into the club/bar and they say no go away. You then end up in a kebab shop wishing you had stayed where you was.
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There are myriad analogies and cliches to go against this (nothing risked, nothing gained etc).

I saw this post on BookFace the other day and think it's a terrible way to try and get on a level with potential undecided voters in order to get them to vote 'in'.

What I would add is that the decision isn't comparable to the night club at that would be an impulse decision. Whereas the referendum has given people time and (limited) unbiased info to help make the right decision for them. Plus if something doesn't feel right/adequate then the only way to improve it is to leave as negotiating a reformed EU certainly didn't work!

Plus, I'd like to think most voters won't be legless and/or pilled up to their eyeballs while casting their decision on the EU. Deciding to switch clubs however, not sure that would be the case.
 
goldbcfc said:
If the reasons for leaving the EU were so great their wouldn't need be such a debate we'd already know its right to vote out.
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Playing Devil's Advocate here but, surely, the other side of this argument is 'If the benefits of, and reasons for, staying in the EU were overwhelming there wouldn't need to be a debate as very few people would actually wish to leave'...
 
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