Impact on our youngsters?

I like your style Mr john-e89! still chuckling as I write this.
If there had been an unbiased document outlining the pros and cons, it might have served a useful purpose but the adverse publicity over this document is going to push the electorate even further away.
 
Exactly.

I was given the impression we lived in a demoracy. So where is the other 9m 'leaflet' detailing the pro's of leaving? In an offshore account perhaps.... :fingertap:
 
If the government is in favour of pro EU then it is down to the opposition to send their materials.

Each had the same budget.
 
ekimj10 said:
If there had been an unbiased document outlining the pros and cons, it might have served a useful purpose but the adverse publicity over this document is going to push the electorate even further away.
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totally agree, it makes me want to vote out
 
My 'Government information leaflet' dropped through the letterbox this morning. Rather galling if this mail drop did in fact cost £9 million. Went straight in the recycle bin.
 
I hate commenting on politics, but I do believe this is one issue that needs real discussion.
I listen to the political arguments, but neither side is giving any real, truthful, positive reasons for voting either way. Both are spouting incorrect, inflammatory and ever more ridiculous statements. None of which help the common man one jot.

I am not a small business owner, so I don't purport to understand the intricacies of what in or out mean to them.
I do not believe for one minute that immigration is, nor should it be, of paramount concern to the particular question of our continued membership of the EU.

What I do see however, is that the EU is so far removed from the Common Market that we joined in the 70's as to be unrecognisable. We do need to reconsider our position as a member of what is becoming a European federal state.

I am also very concerned about the future not only of the UK, but more so about the future of the EU itself. I never understood how a 'single currency' was going to work; and every indication is that in fact it can't work. Linking 28 countries currencies, and enforcing strict inflation and monetary controls was always doomed to failure. As such, this has lead to a few wealthy and booming countries, who now seem unwilling to support those countries who probably never should have been allowed to join in the first place due to their financial profligacy, and or niaivity.

The other big cornerstone of the EU is freedom of movement. As we have seen, as soon as we have the first major stress of free movement, the migration crisis (which in my opinion has been handled disgustingly badly), the Schengen agreement dissolves into tatters. It seems that when a country's back is to the wall, it reverts to looking after number one.
 
Check out fullfact.org if you're interested in how much truth there is in debates and propaganda being produced.
 
Interesting thread. Long ago decided how I would be voting. The headline grabbing rubbish being spouted from both sides has not altered that choice. :thumbsup:
 
buzyg said:
Interesting thread. Long ago decided how I would be voting. The headline grabbing rubbish being spouted from both sides has not altered that choice. :thumbsup:
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Same here + 1 :thumbsup:
 
Jobs and the economy will only be secure if we remain .......... Tell that to the British Steel industry.........lying bunch of cretins with nothing more than their own self interest , vote to stay in and it will be giving Europe the green light to finish destroying our way of life and soverienity :headbang:
 
Grumpyowl said:
buzyg said:
Interesting thread. Long ago decided how I would be voting. The headline grabbing rubbish being spouted from both sides has not altered that choice. :thumbsup:
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Same here + 1 :thumbsup:
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Another +1

The same amount of bullshit is being spouted this referendum as in the last - it nothing more than an ego boost for some self opinionated bullshit filled egotistical politicians.

Nobody really knows with any certainty what will or won't happen in or out!

All I see is idiots like boris, gove and farage on one side - while there are the financial institutions on the other - I tend to see them as having more credence.
 
ekimj10 said:
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For example, is the human rights court in Strassbourg part of the EU discussion or not? If voting No means being removed from that burden, it would be a huge benefit to the national security to be able to get rid of the muslim clerics of hatred and therefore the amount of terrorists being grown in the UK.
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It would be good to know what the stand on this is, if we left and could establish our own set of rules, that, plus Turkey knocking on the door, the vote becomes a no-brainer.
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But that is the whole point - we either stay in or leave!

If we stay in we are stuck with current EU rules and even worse future EU rules, but if we leave we get to make our own once again.

Based on that I can only see one way to vote, and it isn't to stay subjugated to Brussels while still funding the European experiment! :lol:
 
Is it just me who is getting increasingly irritated that no one in the media has pinned down the government to answer the question of 'What If the country votes to Leave?'

Just because Cameron and his government have said they want to stay doesn't mean he can wash his hands of us if we vote to leave, so what will they do to safeguard us? They keep calling the Leave campaign's ideas 'fantasy'. Ok then, what will you do???

They should have commenced plan B months ago. So, how is it going? What does it look like?
 
Darkangelv2 said:
Is it just me who is getting increasingly irritated that no one in the media has pinned down the government to answer the question of 'What If the country votes to Leave?'

Just because Cameron and his government have said they want to stay doesn't mean he can wash his hands of us if we vote to leave, so what will they do to safeguard us? They keep calling the Leave campaign's ideas 'fantasy'. Ok then, what will you do???

They should have commenced plan B months ago. So, how is it going? What does it look like?
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Plan B is we hand the Country over to Borris & Nigel. In which case I'll be applying for a visa and retiring to Portugal, if they will let me in
 
buzyg said:
Darkangelv2 said:
Is it just me who is getting increasingly irritated that no one in the media has pinned down the government to answer the question of 'What If the country votes to Leave?'

Just because Cameron and his government have said they want to stay doesn't mean he can wash his hands of us if we vote to leave, so what will they do to safeguard us? They keep calling the Leave campaign's ideas 'fantasy'. Ok then, what will you do???

They should have commenced plan B months ago. So, how is it going? What does it look like?
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Plan B is we hand the Country over to Borris & Nigel. In which case I'll be applying for a visa and retiring to Portugal, if they will let me in
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It's not though is it. Cameron won't just shrug his shoulders and walk into the sunset. This would still be his country to run but he's not telling us what that would entail. It's deception.
 
Darkangelv2 said:
buzyg said:
Darkangelv2 said:
Is it just me who is getting increasingly irritated that no one in the media has pinned down the government to answer the question of 'What If the country votes to Leave?'

Just because Cameron and his government have said they want to stay doesn't mean he can wash his hands of us if we vote to leave, so what will they do to safeguard us? They keep calling the Leave campaign's ideas 'fantasy'. Ok then, what will you do???

They should have commenced plan B months ago. So, how is it going? What does it look like?
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Plan B is we hand the Country over to Borris & Nigel. In which case I'll be applying for a visa and retiring to Portugal, if they will let me in
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It's not though is it. Cameron won't just shrug his shoulders and walk into the sunset. This would still be his country to run but he's not telling us what that would entail. It's deception.
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If we vote out. The Government, or at least the PM, will effectively have lost the vote. It will be one knife stabbing in the back, after another until the next election. Can't see how that's going to help the economy much either. So I stand buy the above. :cry:
 
Bet i am not the only one that thinks the BBC coverage on the "news", is bent towards remain. The wording the emphasis and the time given all seems to be pro staying in the eu.

sure i am not paranoid
 
Would be interesting to put a poll on here on who'd leave and who would stay in. We seem quite a mixed bunch, so could make for interesting analysis and debate...
 
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