pvr said:
[post]1270612[/post] Also, if staying IN the UK means that we have to open the doors to Turkey, then that is a disaster to happen as well.
Unfortunately it's a very complex issue which requires too much information for your typical Joe Public to digest. I'm not even sure there should have been a public referendum held in this manner. What government run website shows clear pro/conns of Europe in an easy to read unbiased way? Seems easy for me to file tax returns - but they can't manage something like this? I've searched - I can't find it. There should be public debates on national television during prime time - instead you get Eastenders. David Cameron's rush to appease the voters will back fire without the proper attempt at education - unfortunately the very people who need to educate us aren't trusted, another issue entirely ...
Your archetypal Joe Public wants to Sun/Daily Mail style headline questions with multiple choice tickboxes. "Why should we stay in Europe: Jobs, Why should we leave: Muslims.". It's pretty depressing how ignorant many people have become, especially in such complex matters - a few bombs go off, a few media headlines about how "immigrants ruin everything", and it's easy to shift a large % of the population. European issues are being used as a scapegoat, these issues are nothing to do with Europe, yet somehow it has all been bundled all together. Are we saying No to Europe because we think our membership into the EU attracts this unwanted attention? Because Belgium was bombed we'll be safe if we say no? Just what the billionaires of the world want; they are the ones who own the media you read after all. There's much more unbiased information at our finger tips than ever before - but who's reading it?
"Leave Europe, stick our fingers up to Brussels, that'll show 'em. Those Muslims, we don't want any of that here - leave Europe."
Every article which tries to explain positives of staying in Europe must be pure scare mongering after all? Good old English values.
People need to wake up and realise we're not a super power, we're not even relevant in the World theatre - we'll become another Iceland. Scotland will want to be in the EU, so will Ireland. Our currency will de-value (which it has already significantly - costing my small business a fortune already). How many of you here have been directly affected? I bet those with the strongest opinions have the least to worry about either which way! Our IT industry and engineering abroad will suffer. It will have a negative impact - that is a fact. How many here have been through the Visa process for recruitment or living abroad? You tell me that queuing up with people from third world countries in order to set-up a business abroad is a positive step. I've set-up companies in countries not in the EU and exported to the UK - it was a nightmare. Cross fertilisation of talent, importing/exporting - it's all problematic. Sure, it can be done - but given the choice between working with Germany and the UK, other EU countries will chose Germany every time, purely due to paperwork. I'm on the ground in Europe and I see how things work.
But it's OK, we can say no to immigrants and stick our fingers up to Brussels.
Most naysayers I speak to can't list 10 positive things about Europe - so much for a balanced argument. You can't say "no" to Europe because of problems of immigration, all of Europe is suffering at the moment - it's a world disaster what's happening in Syria. Blocking Europe will not change that - the UK would accept a certain amount regardless. This is a decision from which there is no turning back - look 20-30 years into the future, look past the Sun headlines and look at the bigger picture. /rantover - *takes
me flame proof coat and hides in a big box which says - Open July 2016*
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