Immaculate e86 manual 31k miles

[coldel]

there will always be a group of people out there that will not under any circumstances buy anything without low mileage and will happily pay through the nose for it.

Guilty, I'm afraid. It's a mentality issue, borne out of having new lease cars every two or three years for decades. I can't buy high milers, I just can't.

It is also a practical thing; a vehicle with low miles will be less 'worn out' in all departments. They are mechanical things made of (mostly) steel. Steel corrodes when subject to the elements and mechanical things wear out. It's simple in my mind!

Oh I get that, but steel doesn't hit a self destruct button at 100k miles :wink: Its not like a countdown timer

 

[Shawn_Trn]

Oh I get that, but steel doesn't hit a self destruct button at 100k miles :wink: Its not like a countdown timer

I like that - > destruction button at 100 K .... :lol:

More than steel I would be worrying about rubber elements which needs to be replaced due to its wear rubber aging.
Rust may be an issue if you drive in winter and salt is used to maintain the roads (especially Japanese cars which steel is not galvanized).

As someone already commented - how fast you want to sell the car. I see the same cars being advertised for more than a year now.

 

[MikeyH]

BMW Z4 2.5 si, 28,500 miles 2006, Manual £7,600 This one has been on auto trader since before I bought mine 2.5 yrs ago.

 

[Nuts]

Having sold my Z4 coupe with around 40k miles on a couple of years ago, I have of recent been having a looking at over at the market for Z4C and M's thinking maybe of getting back in one and so as a potential buyer have read this thread with interest. However the low mileage Z4 coupes are not that rare, I've seen a few this year advertised. For example just last week there was a blue Z4 coupe with just 34k miles in tip top condition with great history and condition for 14.5k and is now sold (not to me).

Currently there's a Z4 coupe automatic with just at the moment with just 26k miles for less than 13k. IMHO I think anything over 15k will struggle to sell as its not rare or collectable enough to warrant approaching a high teens price tag. I Guess time will tell.
Re someones earlier comment "as year on year you need to travel further and further to actually enjoy it. Most drives are crap face it. " That may be their experience but I just go down the road in little olde Holmfirth and my daily drives are superb, i only go around 20-30 miles a day and the narrow, twisty and hilly little roads are ideal for the Z4. These past couple of years I've used my Focus RS, Audi TTS and MX5 as a daily and its a riot, really getting to know the cars.

I've argued before on this forum that a z4 coupe was a bargain as it offered 90% of a Z4M for half the price. Particulary as low mileage coupes were going for 12-13k, however at 18k the Z4C strays into Z4M territory and even with low mileage as a buyer I don't feel like it compares well with a Z4MC in that same price bracket. I would also say that because a car is expensive does nt guarantee its in any better condition than a car at a lower price, some sellers just want to sell the car more than others and are willing to let it go for less.

I looked at the blue e86 just sold with 34k miles on it. It had two bad patches of corrosion on the front and back drivers side wing and wheel arch. Underneath wasn’t clean either and patches of missing history. Also Montego blue is not the most popular shade. So no, an example like mine is not readily available in top condition.

With regards your point on condition, mine is immaculate as described. Underneath is as clean as a whistle. No corrosion.

For me, an auto is just not the same proposition and not as valued. Some people don’t care, sure.

 

[Fred Smith]

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[Fred Smith]

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[Nuts]

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PS - Are you talking about the one that was for sale in Kent, Ashford maybe? One long term owner and one recent owner? Cream interior? Did you actually go look at it or did you just study photos?

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I didn’t go in person no, but he sent me a series of in depth videos, but yes that one. It had drivers side rust and corrosion on the front and back wings and tailgate. Scratches and stone chips across the front. Having just resolved rust on my 993 Carrera 4 at an astronomical cost and effort to me, I’m pretty wise to what rust bubbling on wings means on the inside.

For people talking about the quality of my ad, just to reiterate I’ve posted it to gauge any interest in the medium term. Anyone serious, I’ll be happy to provide in depth detail. I’m not simply going to add all the detail on here only to be judged and scrutinised by the masses - like has happened already.

 

[Fred Smith]

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[MikeyH]

A car that aint perfect can be enjoyed more as you wont constantly be worrying about hurting it.

 

[Fred Smith]

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[MikeyH]

A car that aint perfect can be enjoyed more as you wont constantly be worrying about hurting it.

You're not wrong there! As I was looking for one I was thinking all sorts of things, including "which lovely country pub carparks are big enough that I'll be willing to take my new car there?" and planning a slightly longer route to go visit my dad that avoids some shady narrow roads. Instead I went cheap and was on those shady roads within two hours of purchase!

 

[Silverstar]

A car that aint perfect can be enjoyed more as you wont constantly be worrying about hurting it.

This is very true. I guess it depends what you use the car for, if it's going to be a daily and driven everywhere then you don't want something perfect but if you are a collector who does only a few hundred miles a year in one car (which you would have to keep the values up) and can be very picky where you taking the car to then a pristine example might make sense.

 

[Pondrew]

I think that it should be common practice to provide a self-made report when you sell a car. Include a list / timeline of the service history and any other repairs or upgrades (with a note to whether or not you can back it up with evidence and what the evidence is), and the evidence as well. And loads of photos of course, and a list of what you know needs attention, however trivial (and indeed if any).

Advert just like you've done but also a "pm me for a 100 page PDF report with 100 photos and full history". If someone is a long way away a report like that might persuade them to make the journey.

I dunno... if you have a great car it makes sense to give prospective buyers every single bit of help you can in recognizing how good it is. If you are a 100% honest person who genuinely cares about the car and the buyer - and simply wishes to sell at a fair price - it makes sense to do this.

100% agree.

I would go further and say there should be laws to protect the buyer against 'misrepresentation' of a car sold privately. But there isn't. The laws pertaining to traders is not really worth the paper it's written on TBH.

It's tricky, though, as no-one in their right mind is going to advertise a car as "pile of shite; £7,000" are they?

 

[Pondrew]

I think that it should be common practice to provide a self-made report when you sell a car. Include a list / timeline of the service history and any other repairs or upgrades (with a note to whether or not you can back it up with evidence and what the evidence is), and the evidence as well. And loads of photos of course, and a list of what you know needs attention, however trivial (and indeed if any).

Advert just like you've done but also a "pm me for a 100 page PDF report with 100 photos and full history". If someone is a long way away a report like that might persuade them to make the journey.

I dunno... if you have a great car it makes sense to give prospective buyers every single bit of help you can in recognizing how good it is. If you are a 100% honest person who genuinely cares about the car and the buyer - and simply wishes to sell at a fair price - it makes sense to do this.

100% agree.

I would go further and say there should be laws to protect the buyer against 'misrepresentation' of a car sold privately. But there isn't. The laws pertaining to traders is not really worth the paper it's written on TBH.

It's tricky, though, as no-one in their right mind is going to advertise a car as "pile of shite; £7,000" are they?

But then the car buying public are generally not stupid; especially with the amount of information at everyone's fingertips these days. Cars, like houses, can 'stick' if not advertised at the right price for the product. The very reason why people change estate agents with houses. It then comes up on the property websites as a new listing. I have seen people try to do it with cars. Take it off the market then put it back on a month later at the same price. Doesn't generally work.

 

[CraigP]

I've bought and sold around 6 cars in the past 2 or 3 years from a Supra GR, 2x TTS, Z4, Focus RS, MX5 etc, and has cost me less than 3k over this period.

Call me a sceptic, but you've had the car a month and are selling it already and then describe it as immaculate and diss all the other ones on the market, eg they are not the sought after colour "Montego blue is not the most popular shade", not a manual "an auto is just not the same proposition and not as valued. Some people don’t care, sure." , rusty panels etc - not really coming from an unbiased standpoint is it?

Most car buyer businesses eg webuyanycar, carbuying group, motorpoint etc will not buy a car off a customer unless you've owned it for a minimum of 3 or 6 months just in case of issues being found by the current owner after their purchase then trying to resell it on.

When asked about why you are selling it so soon you say "I’m pretty disappointed with the power delivery. " yet you've had a E85 3.0si manual and 3.0 auto previously so you already knew exactly what the engine was like twice previouly - to me at least that makes no sense.

Or is it simply a case of buyers remorse, paid over the odds and just trying to get your money back, which I admit I have done on more than
once occasion myself when the market was buoyant after lockdown, sadly not now. Anyway good luck with your sale and at least all these viewpoints keep bumping up your ad

 

[Pondrew]

Anyway good luck with your sale and at least all these viewpoints keep bumping up your ad

TBH I don't think that is a positive for the OP as it stands. :wink:

IMO no-one is going to buy the car on the strength of this thread after the last 4 pages (partly my fault I admit).

I would start a new thread if it were mine.

 

[Scubaregs]

I don't really have anything to add to what's already been said, I just want my 3000th post and lifer status.

 

[coldel]

PS - Are you talking about the one that was for sale in Kent, Ashford maybe? One long term owner and one recent owner? Cream interior? Did you actually go look at it or did you just study photos?

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I didn’t go in person no, but he sent me a series of in depth videos, but yes that one. It had drivers side rust and corrosion on the front and back wings and tailgate. Scratches and stone chips across the front. Having just resolved rust on my 993 Carrera 4 at an astronomical cost and effort to me, I’m pretty wise to what rust bubbling on wings means on the inside.

For people talking about the quality of my ad, just to reiterate I’ve posted it to gauge any interest in the medium term. Anyone serious, I’ll be happy to provide in depth detail. I’m not simply going to add all the detail on here only to be judged and scrutinised by the masses - like has happened already.
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You are of course on a forum of owners and enthusiasts such as yourself who will go one of two ways, either wish you luck or query what on earth is going on.

If you have the details to hand to send to someone who shows an interest, I would say just post those details on the for sale ad. If you only bought it a month ago and were a diligent buyer I am sure you would have saved the advert text and photos at a minimum along with any you took yourself so it should be an easy fix to post the details up. Unfortunately on such strong money and without a compelling reason for sale (power delivery, given you have owned two 3.0si previously what has surprised you about the power delivery its going to cause many a rubbing of chin) I would be surprised (but conversely happy for you) if anyone bites at all.

I think you are doing yourself no favours by posting something very brief and asking money some would argue over and above the market value (indeed it has dropped £500 I noticed). I would just forget this thread, start another one, tempt in potential buyers from that very small pool with all the detail and you might find the response somewhat more amiable

 

[Nictrix]

No point starting another thread on here, the damage has already been done.
There's always a crowd of people who will comment on the for sale threads, good or bad, who are not in the least bit interested in buying what is for sale.
It's entirely up to the seller how much they want to ask for something, if its overpriced it won't sell and it only hurts the seller, nobody else.
People really need to mind their own business when it comes to sale threads and stop slating them.
OP, I think you would be better forgetting selling here and concentrate elsewhere where you may not get the same bad vibes.

 

[Nuts]

No point starting another thread on here, the damage has already been done.
There's always a crowd of people who will comment on the for sale threads, good or bad, who are not in the least bit interested in buying what is for sale.
It's entirely up to the seller how much they want to ask for something, if its overpriced it won't sell and it only hurts the seller, nobody else.
People really need to mind their own business when it comes to sale threads and stop slating them.
OP, I think you would be better forgetting selling here and concentrate elsewhere where you may not get the same bad vibes.

Thanks yeah. Not really what the spirit of a forum is about. That's the thing with the British, love to tear into people and knock them down out of spite.

Think I've been pretty clear why I want to sell after a month and despite the ridiculous implications, there's zero to be negative and sceptical about. Yes as I've said, I do have buyers remorse. I romanticised about having a coupe after having several roadsters, only to find I don't really get on with it, mainly on the power front. Not really hard to comprehend that is it? Regardless, it will sell at some point for sure and, whilst I may not achieve asking, it'll go for somewhere near given what I've seen in the last few months.

After all, I was testing response. Having had a few DMs, the interest is there but I'm in the fortunate position not to be desperate, given it's a 4th car and the least of my concern.